No vote in Parliament tomorrow

As others have said, what is wrong with a second vote, this time based on facts? If Leavers are so sure they are in the majority they have nothing to fear and surely would appreciate the confirmation. I believe a second vote is the only way to make the public accept whatever is decided. Otherwise we may well start behaving like the French.

Interesting that the front page of the Sunday Times said that the vote wouldn't happen. Wonder who/what they knew that the BBC didn't?

If 'the people' vote again and vote the same way, fair enough, we will know that the majority actually means it and the shenanigans over the 2016 vote did not produce a false result. If the vote goes the other way, it cannot undermine "the will of the people", as 'the people' can change their minds, just as they can at every election or in everyday life about anything. One of the MPs speaking today made that point (can't remember which one, unfortunately).

I shall now retire behind the sofa with my tin hat on.

'Fretting' goes nowhere near how bloody angry I am with that disreputable bunch of self-serving hypocrites!
There now. I do feel better. Thank you for that opportunity for a mini-rant.
G&t now methinks!

.....and what good has fretting about it all done you I ask?
Sometimes it’s the only sensible option.

Less of an obsession and more of an expectation of constant repetition of the "Wait and see mantra"!!

mcem there are plenty of others who have said the same as I have over the last two years, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with me, it looks very silly.

Of course the EU say no more wheeling and dealing, well, they would say that wouldn’t they?
I say.....let’s just see!
Delaying tactics has taken the wind out of all the sails in Parliament.

We do not just look weak - we are weak. Our parliamentarians have serviced us ill from Cameron onwards.

It is all very unfortunate.

Why would they not give us consideration: humanity, decency have to count for something.

Why is a second vote not democratic?

So by having a second vote the people would doubt the integrity of politicians!
Who's kidding who?
Integrity! They don't know the meaning of the word!
We've sat around for over 2 years (following the advice of folk like lemongrove about being patient and waiting to see) and have achieved nothing.
Micawber 's advice that "something will turn up" also seems to have failed abysmally.
By the way has anyone watching the debate spotted JRM or Boris this afternoon ? Did I just fail to spot them or were they quietly sitting there, objectively taking in the range of opinions?

the majority of voters voted out. end of. no second ref no messing up majority and democracy, all remainers are in vain stopping hard leave means leave brexit, here we come, I am so excited to leave clutches of unelected EU..I can not understand why anyone wants to be governed , ruled by a foreign power, the EU. I certainly do not, as does the majority of the voters..

The EU has said all along there is nothing else on offer as they have to put their own member countries (especially Ireland where there are peace and border issues) first.
Says it all.

The Leave campaign was based on lies and fraud, enough to have invalidated the referendum if the Govt had wanted.

I think that, without explicitly stating it, offering the electorate a vote on whether to Remain or to accept the deal being offered would go a long way to compensating Remainers for their feeling of indignation at being held, willy nilly, to the result of a deeply flawed referendum.

If it is indeed still the 'will' of the majority that we leave the EU then Leavers have nothing to fear from another vote.

Of course, this time, we would expect it to be run honestly and transparently, with those organisations and individuals who have already been found to have broken the rules in the 2016 referendum being banned from any active participation, apart from actually voting.

It's excruciating to watch BBC Parliament Live today. This morning, ministers were saying the vote would go ahead tomorrow as promised, even while the BBC was being told it would be cancelled.

The Speaker has pointed out that there have been three days of debate with the expectation of a vote. That's three days of parliamentary time which looks like having been utterly wasted.

The government is risking being held to be in contempt of parliament again and of refusing to let MPs vote on one of the most important changes in this country's history.

The EU has said all along there is nothing else on offer as they have to put their own member countries (especially Ireland where there are peace and border issues) first.

There is a point where you have to hold someone to account for what looks less like determined strength and more like dumb arrogance.

Even Amber Rudd couldn't hide her yawn.

Absolutely, crystal!

Why would the EU give us special consideration over and above what we already had? Why accuse the, of intransigence just because they won’t give us our cake which we then eat? Surely they just haven’t given into the whingeing of the U.K.? We have lurched from one crisis to another over the last 2 years just because just over half of voters voted leave for many different reasons, not all of them were about the EU. Not enough for a major constitutional change, all this nonsense about respecting the referendum means respecting lies, why not respect all the voters? Our incompetent government and useless opposition have made us look incredibly weak. Whatever happens it’s all a complete dogs breakfast.

As I have said before - it is not a question of being "fooled" - any referendum now would be about the deal that has been struck (and a very imperfect one it is too), whereas the previous vote was on the principle of whether the EU is a good place to be.

Frankly the intransigence of the EU over this is making me feel that we should be out of their clutches, and I suspect that many others will feel the same.

Seems to me a second referendum will work well only if there are some tight restrictions imposed - make voting compulsory, so that the majority vote is actually a true majority of the population: 17,410,742 people voted to leave in 2016, out of 46,500,001 eligible voters, which is actually only 37.4% of the population.

Maizie: I'd rather have 50% unhappy Leavers and a sound economy than 50% unhappy Remainers and a ruined economy...
I couldn't agree more
And Anniebach; The Leave campaign was based on lies and fraud, enough to have invalidated the referendum if the Govt had wanted. All evidence shows that a majority would vote Remain now they know how they were fooled.
"You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Who knows if the outcome would be different? The UK just like Parliament is deeply divided. Time to change to proportional representation? At least then The House would represent those who voted. Is it time to make voting mandatory for all those 18+?
I don’t have any solutions only more questions!

We voted on leave or stay and some refuse to accept the outcome, why would it be different if we voted again ?

I can't make up my mind whether TM has her head in the sand or has some sort of master plan. I think it is probably the former but have difficulty believing a politician could be quite so blinkered but then there are all those who think they could have done better.......................

I'll say it again, the only democratic thing to do is to ask the people what they want to do. Anything else is going to lead to so much discontent that we will have unrest for years. If we vote on deal or stay we will all simply have to accept the outcome. Leavers who say we must accept the vote which was based on lies will have the opportunity to prove that they were right all along and its the will of the people. If the vote is for the deal then so be it, if it is for no Brexit then so be it. Anything else will hurt the country badly.

One of the mainstream parties is running a petition for a Remain vote

Me too, MaizieD

This is absolutely ridiculous. The EU have already said that there will be no further negotiation on the Withdrawal Agreement. I hope they stand firm on this but has she been thrown a lifeline from them. Or is she so pigheaded and obstinate that she isn't listening to their 'no further negotiation' stance and intends to perpetuate our national humiliation at having such an incompetent government by jetting off to Brussels and achieving nothing?

Let's just get on with it, have a People's Vote and rescind A50 if the result is Remain.

Either way about 50% of our population is not going to be happy.

I'd rather have 50% unhappy Leavers and a sound economy than 50% unhappy Remainers and a ruined economy...