If there was another EU referendum Part 2

crystaltipps

But he didn’t say that before the referendum when he said it will all be done and dusted in an afternoon

And YOU believed that?

Like Allygran says, tongue-in-cheek comments are fairly easy to discern, if indeed Dr Fox said that.

Next you'll be accusing Leavers of believing that Brexit negotiations should have only taken an afternoon's discussion.

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/nobody-said-it-was-easy?utm_term=.qp1jMwnbA#.wqeOmDM6n
A few more

Where is that quote from crystaltipps? Did you really, really believe that that could if said possibly be a genuine remark, or maybe tongue in cheek! Taking everything literally is often unwise.

But he didn’t say that before the referendum when he said it will all be done and dusted in an afternoon,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879/eu-trade-deal-easiest-in-human-history

He also said in the same sentence : "The only reason we wouldn't come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics," Dr Fox told the Today programme.
•20 Jul 2017

allygran well you said it

Day 6 Here’s one
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879/eu-trade-deal-easiest-in-human-history

Day6 well put!

Varian normally one would compare the whole of Devon to the whole of Devon, Not Chegworth in West Devon to the whole of Devon. Now had they compared Chegworth in West Devon in 2016 to Chegworth West Devon in 2018 that might look more like Apples and Apples.

Which evidence have you looked for Varian to support your claim of a "big mistake", made by the leave voter.

Only to children crystalltipps.

who didn't expect them to be long drawn-out and full of stumbling blocks?
- the leaders of the leave campaign

I don't recall the Leave campaign (the bits I saw) ever saying extricating ourselves from the EU would be simple and without problems.

Perhaps you can direct me to that bit of optimistic certainty?

I for one certainly didn't see it, nor would I have believed it if what you state is true.

But of course you like most Remainers have a supercilious notion that all those who voted Leave are without brain cells and unable to think for themselves, don't you?

And still it goes on, moan, whine, whinge, doom, gloom etc etc.
When will it stop I wonder? Next year, when we leave the EU? In 3 years, in five years, never?
It must seriously impact lives all this misery about ‘what may happen’.

Well said lemon
The future is not ours to see. We can try to predict what may come, just as we can try to predict the winning lottery numbers. I sometimes feel all these people who just KNOW life is not going to be worth living after we exit the EU ought to spend more time using their powers of fore-sight (incredible that they have this gift) on the Lottery. They thought the UK would vote to Remain. They got that wrong too and haven't stopped whinging since.

It becomes more and more obvious every day to those who look at the evidence that leavers made a very big mistake.

If your grandchild was about to do something very dangerous would you just let him take the risk and "wait and see" or would you do your best to prevent a disaster?

who didn't expect them to be long drawn-out and full of stumbling blocks?
- the leaders of the leave campaign

How do you know it's a mistake? Do you have a crystal ball?!!

A strong majority of 54% voted to leave, equating to 48,000 votes. However, in stark contrast a major survey carried out by Devon Live in April found that 15% of leave voters in Devon would change their decision in a new referendum.

This is not comparing "apples and pears" - it compares 2016 "apples" with 2018 "apples". You do not need a degree in statistics to understand this.

Some of those who voted Leave would still vote Leave because some people never learn from their mistakes.

Those who voted Leave would still vote Leave I suspect. I certainly would.

The negotiations have been hampered by a) EU Bureaucrats b) people who oppose the government c) the government, d) Remain supporters.

But who didn't expect them to be long drawn-out and full of stumbling blocks?

If anything, our dealings with the EU have made me feel we made the right decision to get out.

And how long can we carry on discussing the subject? Remainers have kept the pot bubbling. Most others have lost interest and just want the best settlement possible for the UK - not the EU.

Isn’t “play nice” childlike?

Suzied well done.
Ally you often use the tactic of playing the man not the ball, yet accuses others for the same thing.

Suzied so childlike.

SuziedIf you have studied Politics, all I can say is that you have no excuse then for not putting the fact's on line, rather than spurious or misleading statements that you must have know are not correct. You clearly knew when you said that the MP's had freedom, that it is only to a point, and then the Whip is either threatened to make them tow the Party Line or it is applied which expels them to Independent's until the Whip is restored, which means they cannot vote. Because the Party stands for election it's MP's as well on the Party mandate. Come the crunch those promises must be kept by the Party or they have to explain, and risk rejection of the electorate that voted for them on their promises. MP's may also be deselected by the Local Party for the next General Election. If that happens that's usually the end of their career in Politics. You notice all the remain MP's on both sides of the House, Conservatives and Labour who had been very vocal had gone quiet for five week's before they went on their Hols
The Whip has been applied. Anna Soubry definitely had her wings clipped by her grassroots party, who is another control of MP's behaviour and keeping them towing the Party Line, this is where we get that term from. Collective promises are made via the mandate when MP's stand for a Party at a General Election.

Play nice! says the person who has made rude comments to several people on the last couple of pages alone

Suzied. Play nice!

Varian you are comparing apples and pears again!
You say:
Exclusive data provided by Google reveals that between the 23 and the 29 of July Chagford searched for Brexit more than any other UK community. West Devon - the constituency in which Chagford is situated in - voted to leave the EU in the Brexit Referendum in June 2016.

This is Chagford in West Devon you say:

A strong majority of 54% voted to leave, equating to 48,000 votes".

You then say:
"However, in stark contrast a major survey carried out by Devon Live in April found that 15% of leave voters in Devon would change their decision in a new referendum".

This is a survey that has not been defined as to what method it used to survey nor does it say what size sample was surveyed. So until we have that information it is considered spurious.

Even with the information, comparing Chagford in West Devon to the whole of Devon is fallacious.