Unions and strikes -a real threat or just a succesful media promotion.

Didn't Corbyn ask Lansman to withdraw his nomination for the General Secretary position as he felt that Jennie Formby would have a wider appeal within Labour than Lansman?

Maw, I missed your deleted post. Don’t flounce please.
Allygran - great post, thanks.
I’m a trad labour voter, I did flounce and cancel my membership after giving JC a year to convince me he could be the party leader we need.

Unions had full say in keeping Lord Robens in office even though he was economical with the truth , still the victims were only Children

Why all the talk of Lansman and Momentum in this tread. I believe that Momentum did a great job in returning the decision-making in the parliamentary Labour party back to the grassroots members. Blair, Brown and their cohort's had virtually taken away grassroots involvement in decision making and Momentum restored that base membership involvement within the party.

However, that accomplished Momentum are in my view somewhat in the tracks of UKIP having fulfilled the single objective they set out to achieve they now have no agenda to fulfil.

Evidence to the above can be seen in recent appointments within the Labour party especially in Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary. Formby has a long-standing Trade Union background and her appointment is being seen as the close links between the wider Labour movement in the country and the Labour Party being fully restored.

It must always be remembered that the Labour Party was born out of the Trade Unions and they have paid the vast majority of its bills through thick and thin for over a century. Therefore why once again should they not have a full say in the making of Labours policies?

Spot on Lemongrove and Anniebach.

lemon, all he has to do is utter ‘I feel your pain’ then he cannot be a capitalist .

No, not at all, in fact I will put the same as I just have done on another thread.
People who dabble in socialism ( like Lansman) and decry the evils of capitalism , whilst at the same time making vast amounts of money from their own capitalist ventures, should not be taken seriously.....people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Lansman is the usual kind of champagne socialist,

Is it that you just don't like people moving out of their social sphere, lemon? Rich people should be rich and utter bastards, poor people should be poor and never the twain shall meet?

Well done Allygran a lot of research there.
Lansman is the usual kind of champagne socialist, indeed reading all that, one is reminded of the book Animal Farm.

Grandad1943 Mon 28-May-18 10:16:14
"Well, if it is in the Daily Mail it must be true. No chance of that newspapers offshore tax haven owner putting his own political slant on any artical is there. smile"

"Allygran1, respectfully, how do you connect all the above to the thread topic of the Trade Unions and their perceived threat or not to the stability of this country."

“Day6 Mon 30-Apr-18 19:50:49
If you are not pro-Momentum and pro-Corbyn you are cast into the wilderness. You'd be vetted for your hard-left credentials. There is NO ROOM FOR MODERATES within the Labour Party.”

“Disliking Corbyn and his Marxist cronies is quite common amongst the chattering classes. Annie is not a lone voice in resenting the power of Momentum and the Corbyn leadership. How could any Labour moderate make their voice heard in the present climate? No chance!”

Grandad, I hope the above answers your question. Do you have a view about the increasing power of Momentum, it's political strong arm activist tactics as it infiltrates and takes over the Labour Party?

The stability of the Labour Party in it's representation of it's members and those non members who by historical preference, have always voted Labour, is a factor in destabilising the Party and via the backdoor putting a Trotsky inclined far left party into our Parliament.

My view is that the people who traditionally vote Labour on centre to left policy's are being driven out of what is named the Labour Party. However Momentum in my view, is in terms of it's far left activist behaviour, a horse of a very different colour to that of the Labour Party I recognise.

The Labour Party name has been hijacked as part of the deception. Momentum is very wrong if they think that it is that easy to fool the traditional Labour voter. They underestimate the power of the Unions who will I sincerely hope always stand by the traditional Labour voter.
The Trade Unions I believe recognised this and until now have not been for Momentum, let's hope that continues.

Momentum as Corbyns "muscle" are a threat to the stability of our Parliamentary system if they succeed in their deception by cloaking themselves in the respectability of the real Labour Party. There are some Labour MP's who are saying little but standing in the wings, let's hope that when the time is right they will come to the aid of the Party.

Whilst Corbyn is cut from the Trotsky cloth in terms of his ideology, Trotsky and Marx's both believed in violent revolution. What one understands as violent is different today than it was in T and M's day in the mid 1800's, however bullying, intimidation, activist infiltration of media, the activist tactics of going for the person not the ball when facts and figures break down their argument, are all degree's of violence against the person and society.

Once extremism either left or right becomes far left or right it becomes fascist in it's nature. This is what we are seeing developing I believe in Momentum.

I hope I have satisfied your question Grandad. ""Allygran1, respectfully, how do you connect all the above to the thread topic of the Trade Unions and their perceived threat or not to the stability of this country."

Venezuelan, I think!!!!

Oh lord, that was not my intention. I was just curious that's all, but since reading the poem, I sort of see!! Not sure of the virtue of spelling like that, but who am I to query it!!! (shrug)

OK.
I apologise unreservedly for referring to the “weaker sex” /“little woman” or whatever I said (sizeist?) when what I should have said was that voice recognition can be used in equality by both sexes
Thank you for pointing that out Grandad43 it would never have occurred to me that such an invention could benefit us all in this way whatever our gender.

I also apologise if the poem I quoted “Owed to a Spell cheque”, about the “Spelling Chequer” upset anybody suffering from dyslexia, and assume that Gracesmum and Trisher join me in my humble pie. ?
Now are they satisfied at GNHQ?
And what is “Veniswaylan” anyway?

A responsible union is a good union
I agree; as a union rep in the 1960s I think we felt a responsibility to our members but also a responsibility to the public. I did feel annoyed with people who would refuse to join the union and pay their dues but would happily accept increased pay and better working conditions due to the work of the unions.

However, as for prolonged or wildcat strikes or those which totally inconvenience the public - who are also trying to work - I am not so much in favour of those. I do remember feeling very uneasy that we were due to strike for one day only - on the day of election when some of us would be employed at the polling offices, which would mean the elections could not go ahead. I felt very dubious about that.

There were public service strikes in the early 1980s which resulted in piles of rubbish in our streets, vermin everywhere and the possibility of disease.

You will find that can post from anywhere,
outer space?

Sorry I meant please don’t leave us Maw x

Please don’t Maw, x

By the way Jalima1108 I am dictating this on a smartphone using voice recognition while my wife is driving us back

Not an expensive device as compared to many and as long as any phone has between two and four GBS ram and running Android 5.0 and above, voice dictation is very easy to learn if you care to try.

You will find that can post from anywhere, even travelling at 70mph on the motorway. That is an advancement in Britain also, and can be carried out in equality by both sexes

Ah, so grandad can make patronising comments about “both sexes”but I am deemed “sexist”?
PS nigglynellie watch out, you may be accuse of disparaging dyslexic posters by drawing attention to veneswaylan or whatever it was ???

Re the deletion of my Spelling Chequer poem (Pam Ayers?)
GNHQ might like to look at this thread
www.gransnet.com/forums/pedants_corner/1214227-A-question-for-pedants-what-has-happened-to-the-double-el
And as for the “sexist” content
Might I remind the powers that be of who made the reference in the first place?
I should miss many of you (nearly all) but this is close t the last straw.
Time to flounce?

'I see' said Piglet! and Pooh who didn't, said 'Oh'!!

I think Ally wants to rerun last year's General Election.

And wasn't the Lansman stuff thoroughly covered on one of the anti-Corbyn threads?

So i am not the only one Maw ?

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

What is Veniswaylen?

What has all that got to do with trade unions?