The Labour Party

Difficult to support a far left party leader who defends a Russian who was a KBG agent, is an arms dealer , who likes to have planes shot down, is a multi billionaire, best to forget Syria ?

I just haven't heard that Annie. Can you quote where he has said that. I have heard him ask some reasonable questions in parliament. I have heard Trump 'defend' Putin but I have not heard Corbyn - if that is who you are describing as the far left leader - say anything of the sort. Quotes would really help otherwise I will continue to believe it is just more daily mailisms, i.e., spin and lies.

POGS - if I've got the right one there is a link at the bottom.

Corbyn is helping the Russian ‘cause’ by throwing doubt on Russian involvement and by his man (Seamus Milne) throwing doubt on our intelligence services (publicly).
Corbyn has to oppose everything ( even when it happens to be a matter of UK security) as he is a serial rebel, even when Putin is a de facto dictator, and ex KGB man well used to murder and intrigue, who has seen off all opposition to himself and is set to add to his 18 years of being in power.
Corbyn is also a CND member, a pacifist and therefore will do nothing to protect this country and it’s citizens against anyone.
What happened in Salisbury could have been in anyone’s town or city, and could have been much worse than it was.
Russians are always ‘offing’ each other, but in this case a British policeman was affected badly and we could have
seen anyone, including children in hospital.It was a blatant
And arrogant gesture from an over confident Putin.

Lemon, I'd much rather quote people who support my thoughts than write the rubbish that you do.

As for Chris Williamson calling fellow Labour MP's 'Political Enemies' who should 'Bugger off' and face 'deselection' is hardly fresh news is it?

Williamson is only proving what some posters have been saying since Momentum started after the Jeremy for Leader campaign re calls for 'deselection'. As for 'Political Enemies' he means 'Political Enemies' of Corbyn. That takes us back to the old Corbyn 'Hostile' list .

labourlist.org/2016/03/leaked-list-ranks-labour-mps-by-hostility-to-corbyn/

Williamson will never give credence to fellow MP's holding an opinion for themselves as it is Jeremy's way or no way and this is no longer the rhetoric that started under Corbyns Leadership it is now practice.

The "BBC", in the form of Evan Davis, looked very embarrassed last night when several guests pointed out that they should not have mocked up the picture they did. I imagine they have already been inundated with complaints. I rather think the BBC is not a source to call on at the moment - not one many people would take seriously after that.

Which means you are incapable of writing your own opinions I suppose.
Since I know you support Corbyn whatever idiocies he does or says durhamjen then it hardly matters.
He has shot himself badly in the foot over this, and him a pacifist!

2013 UK sold chemicals to Syria that were used to make sarin.

"BRITAIN allowed firms to sell chemicals to Syria capable of being used to make nerve gas, the Sunday Mail can reveal today.

Export licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride were granted months after the bloody civil war in the Middle East began.

The chemical is capable of being used to make weapons such as sarin, thought to be the nerve gas used in the attack on a rebel-held Damascus suburb which killed nearly 1500 people, including 426 children, 10 days ago.

President Bashar Assad’s forces have been blamed for the attack, leading to calls for an armed response from the West.

British MPs voted against joining America in a strike. But last night, President Barack Obama said he will seek the approval of Congress to take military action.

The chemical export licences were granted by Business Secretary Vince Cable’s Department for Business, Innovation and Skills last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began."

That's protecting this country and its citizens, is it?

GG

Apologies for some reason I did not think to click onto the 'blued' words at the bottom of your post as it did not resemble the usual format .

Having read the article I thought this was an interesting point raised .

"On Question Time last night Keir Starmer tried to be loyal to both his leader and to the PM. He stressed that Theresa May was right to take the action she did, declaring “responsibility lies with Russia”. Corbyn hasn’t allocated such ‘responsibility’, but what’s strange is that neither he nor his shadow team have used the c-word either: culpability. May said on Wednesday that “the Russian state was culpable” for the attempted murders. And culpability means blame. Labour MPs point out Corbyn has supported the expulsion of the Russian diplomats, yet hasn’t said why, given his doubts over culpability."

There you go again, lemon, writing rubbish.
Nearly as bad as talking about Eurovision on the Russia thread.

That was a joke durhamjen which you never seem to ‘get’.

Yes POGS I think Starmer did a good job on QT, what a pity he isn’t the Leader Of The Opposition.

I won't go through all your excoriation lemongrove, that post is out of all proportion to the truth, but let's take your first sentence which is supposed to show "Corbyn helping the Russian Cause"

Corbyn is helping the Russian ‘cause’ by throwing doubt on Russian involvement

There is doubt. We don't actually know whether the Russian state ordered this or not. They may have done. Corbyn did not "throw doubt". If he did please quote what he said instead of using propagandist spin. He did ask some questions but he had already agreed with May and agreed with what she was doing. He just wanted more information as do many people in this country. People being interviewed on the news want the facts that are leading our government to act as they are doing. That is not unreasonable. We are not ruled we are democratically governed. If the government is going to fall out with such a powerful state I want to know we are on the right track too. So far I would be prepared to give May the benefit of the doubt but she needs, not just to keep me and other voters on side, she needs to have the evidence to keep other countries on side.

and by his man (Seamus Milne) throwing doubt on our intelligence services (publicly).

We have reason to doubt the intelligence services or have you conveniently forgotten the dodgy dossier? You, I and our opposition have every reason to question the government in a situation like this.

I get that you do not want a Labour Government lemongrove. I get that you don't like Corbyn's politics. But flinging around terminological inexactitudes will not help in any discussion. I am happy to be proved wrong but do put facts in or I simply will not believe your spin.

A pacifist who supported the IRA , refused to condemn his mate in Venezuela and is now defending Putin

Are you marking my comments in red pen Miss?

Which means you are incapable of writing your own opinions I suppose.

Why do you have to be so rude? What does that add to a discussion? Most people understand (I thought!) that in a discussion you put forward your own opinion, thought, question and then reference others - who have more knowledge on the subject than you do - in order to build a point of argument or discussion.

Otherwise you are assuming you know everything there is to know about the subject and those who are experts in the area can tell you nothing - which seems to be how you see yourself lemongrove but I, and others do not.

Shall I go stand in the corner Miss?

So, lemon, you criticise Corbyn for not taking the attempted murder of citizens in Salisbury seriously enough, yet you think it's okay to make jokes about it?
Very poor taste. You can see why I don't take your posts seriously.

Are you marking my comments in red pen Miss

Now your posts are becoming just childish lemongrove. If you put forward something that is not true why would you expect anyone just to accept it. I am happy to discuss with anyone but can we do it on an adult level?

There was no joke about Salisbury dj ( but you already know that) it was about Eurovision.Not going to talk about another thread though as against GN guidelines.Anyone interested enough can go read it.
You just never get any jokes dj or even what is amusing or ironic.

Maybe I'm just cynical but seeing the mess currently being classed as government in this country the advent of a Russian enemy is a bit too convenient. With a dodgy deal with the DUP on free school meals nd the lowest house building record since the 1920s we are asked to unite behind Mrs May, the only reason I'd get behind her is to kick her out. Austerity isn't working
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuoSlquQ3mg

Then come down off your very high horse GGM2 and address posters with a normal voice instead of all the daft teacher stuff which picks holes ( or shall we say, tries to )
In content, presentation etc.

I wouldn’t expect anything else from you trisher
A Russian enemy a ‘bit too convenient’....are you serious?
It’s highly inconvenient, but when they use a deadly banned nerve agent on UK soil the government cannot ignore it.

Grow up, lemon.

POGS - it did look interesting and I will answer. I just need to get some things done but will be back. Not ignoring you.