Party leaders

Well, Annie he did (maybe still does) want to come out of Europe - even though it's just for his own agenda.

I read through this thread in the hope of finding out more about Momentum, what the 'grass roots' stuff is that it supports. I also looked at their website. Zilch. If you want to find out what Momentum does you have to join either that or the Labour Party. I wonder how many of the members were just curious people looking to find what they do that's different from the Labour Party, and who now can't get out.

Paddyann, I think it is you who is confused, I dislike Corbyn but to accuse him of helping the tories ?

Nobody's pushed himself onto the NEC, primrose.
The voting starts now and lasts until January 12th. How do you know who is on the NEC?
Lansman is on the ballot paper, but so is Eddy Izzard.

It's OK trisher. Come the glorious revolution at the next election, I'm sure John McDonnell can raise enough cash to nationalise unaccountable privately owned companies like Momentum.

with respect Annie I think you are confused ,you dont appear to be a socialist at all on many threads you have much more in common with the Tory party.I too have family who were in at the inception of the Labour party and who were suffragettes .My G knew Keir Hardie and she and he would be birling in their graves at how the party has been the past couple of decades .Corbyn is certainly more left wing than Blair ..or Brown who was a major disappointment BUT he is not what I grew up to believe a socialist was .The core beliefs of the party were founded on what you believe is Christianity ...Corbyn has voted against (abstained) any bills that offer help to the poor ,the sick ,the vulnerable and has supported the conservatives by the back door through his actions...or lack of.

whitewave, I don't 'do' brands of labour, i joined the Labour Party, have stayed with the Labour Party, i am speaking of a party which had principles I supported, I do not support the Momentum-Corbyn party but they are not Labour as I and three generations in my family before me supported - one who was involved with the birth of the party.

Oh well never mind pogs i doubt you would have been able to enlighten me so I can live with that.

whitewave

" pogs principles hmm a pity you didn’t address the second half of my post"

I answered your question addressed to me and the rest of your post didn't make much sense to be honest.

Why should that be a problem annie or are you objecting to anyone other than your brand of labour, which at the moment I am not at all clear what that would be.

Perhaps a clue would be in who you would like for leader. But I won’t hold my breath that you will answer that.

pogs principles a pity you didn’t address the second half of my post.

Momentum has several lined up to take his crown,

OK let's just state once again for those who are reading into this more than is actually there.
Firstly candidates will not be selected by Momentum, the selection process will remain the same.
Candidates who want Momentum's support will be asked to sign. Those who do will have the support of Momentum members.
Candidates who do not sign will still stand
All MPs elected will be supported.

It would be good if people could actually stick to the facts rather than creating imaginary arguments.

whitewave
"pogs what an extraordinary post!

Undoubtedly Corbyn was a pain in the ass to the Labour Party in the past, but for whatever reason the LP chose not to demand his resignation. Why do you think that was?

Perhaps the Labour Party were more tolerant than Momentum and perhaps the Labour Party did not have a 'party within the party" such as Momentum that unashamedly are for ' the individual called Corbyn' and not the Labour Party .

I will stick with my view of who/what constitutes being 'principled' or 'unprincipled' .

Why should Momentum make a decision full stop about candidates.?

What is the point of the Labour Party if it is run by, dictated to by Momentum?

Momentum is now out of the shadows and in charge of Labour , certainly the Labour Leader.

I see there is still no answer to my question :-

To those of you who are Momentum Members/Labour Members , return or new, who have done so because of /purely to follow Corbyn as Leader what will you do if Corbyn is no longer Leader?

Would you still vote Labour ?

Would Momentum still have a reason to exist?

What would Momentum become if there was no Corbyn as the purpose , the mantra was to promote Corbyn the man not the Labour Party ?

Who controls the money?
Who owns the data?
Who's the chairman?
Who's pushed himself onto the NEC?
You're totally naive to think this is not the machine of Jon Lansman.

No it isn't Primrose65. www.peoplesmomentum.com/company_structures

The companies help with organisation

Momentum is an unincorporated association of individual members. It uses two incorporated companies in order to help manage its operations, Momentum Campaign (Services) Ltd ("the service company") and Jeremy for Labour Ltd ("the data company"), both of which have operated under different names in the past. These companies were set up at the beginning of Jeremy Corbyn's first leadership election and thus predate the establishment of Momentum.

No humpty, no different to the Corbynites who bang their drums daily

Trisher, sorry but it is a limited company registered at Companies House. You can check it out on the Momentum website, which is "operated by Jeremy for Labour Ltd."
I think you're confused.
Momentum is a brand.
The company who owns the brand is Jeremy for Labour Ltd.

It isn't a company POGS it's members of a political party who have formed a pressure group. Are you saying these members have no right to choose which cadidates they support?

Of course all local political parties have until now have a say in which party candidate is to be chosen. It is democracy at work and both main political parties have jealously guarded this act of democracy.

However! Lo and behold!

Politicshome are reporting that Maybot is facing a grass roots revolt if she insists on pushing ahead with stripping the local parties this ability to choose their candidate.
One top Tory said that this direction of travel is entirely wrong. Tory party members are furious at this decision, and threatening revolt.

So, no clear answer then, as expected.
We should really forget party politics on this matter and say exactly what we think is right, surely?
IMHO it is wrong of any Party or support group backing a Party to do this.

lemon do you deliberately or genuinely misunderstand?

On second thoughts don’t bother to reply, as I have no intention of getting involved in such a silly debate.

Enjoy your day.

Have looked at your posts whitewave and not clear at all, it seems that you are giving a rather muted response of yes that’s ok for it to happen, so is it? Should prospective Labour candidates feel that they must sign this pledge if they are to have a good chance of getting in? If they refuse to sign, we all know it means far more than Momentum not giving their backing, it will mean in effect that they are blackballed by Momentum and they may as well forget politics.

I gave a clear and unequivocal answer lemon - you are posting what you would like to be true rather than what is true.

fgs Annie, can't you find another drum to bang? this one must be almost worn out by now.