Why are we leaving?

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit-no-deal-customs-white-paper

Not ready for a no deal.

Hammond might want to be sacked - it will get him out of a problem.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/headlines-pile-pressure-chancellor-pre-budget-public-services

I see farmers' incomes are likely to be halved unless there is a free trade agreement with the EU as part of Brexit.
www.ft.com/content/cd9323b8-ad0e-11e7-beba-5521c713abf4
Farmers in my area were surprised by the "remain" posters in our windows before the referendum, as they were all convinced we should leave. I imagine most will be regretting it now. They (mainly small dairy/beef farms) have been struggling for years anyway.

Huge 'leave' posters in farms all over Yorkshire when we were there. Seems we are going to export a lot of tea, cakes and jam but wondering where, in this country, we grow tea ....

I think the Welsh hill farmers were not so convinced of the benefits of leaving. Ceredigion and Gwynedd both voted to remain. However they do both have a university town on their patch so that might have swung it.

So how will UK farming subsidies sit with countries like the USA NZ Argentina etc?

Customs checks to take place inland says Hammond. Does he know what he is talking about?! So illegal immigrants will have perhaps 5 miles to get off the lorry before border checks. Illegal goods/smuggling has the opportunity to off load the goods before the checks. On and on it goes. 16000 trucks a day just through the two docks, paperwork at present taking roughly 20mins. The tunnel has about half that amount with paperwork taking about the same. If there is a problem then it can take hours or days. That is what is seen as a seamless system before Brexit and all the accompanying bureaucracy and cost.

Someone needs to carry out an audit as to the cost of this foolish enterprise.

Why doesn't the Daily Fail print threads like these I wonder?? C'mon Daily Fail...I know you're watching. I DARE you to print this one....

This was a trifle ironic, I think:

James Forsyth‏Verified account @JGForsyth Oct 1

Tories have sold conference advertising to the Port of Dover which is using it to warn of 17 mile queues there if there's no Brexit deal

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/914456504425738240

When I asked our NFU rep about farmers' votes in our area he said it was about 50/50 Leave/Remain.

I know that the few farmers I know all voted to Remain.

Someone has carried out an audit, whitewave. Those are the papers that the government will not let us know about.

There is a petition asking for us to be told the results of that audit.

Twitter

Labour will vote against a no deal. So I don’t think the government will get it through?

Any ideas anyone?

Good grief this trashy government doesn’t hold back does it?

JRM disgracefully criticising the civil service- something that parliament never does. Crass and dishonest.

There is a petition asking for us to be told the results of that audit.

Here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200634

Signed

Just watching the (no)plans for the customs station and lorry park on the M20 on local television. If you didn’t laugh you’d get hysterical.

Signed

www.theweek.co.uk/house-prices/61987/london-house-prices-fall-for-first-time-since-financial-crisis

People getting ready to leave the sinking ship.

Farmers will vote to remain, if I was receiving the subsidy that they are, I'd vote to remain. However i voted to leave, along with seventeen and a half million other souls, who aren't receiving subsidies. If you want an example of Europes reliance on the UK, go to Immingham docks and see the number of Volkswagen vans imported, bearing British Gas logo's, or the BMW's etc, coming into this country on a daily basis. We need to support UK, wether we we voted yea or nay, I cannot understand this adoration for Juncker, Verhofstadt et al, we need to be a sovereign country again, with control of borders, trade etc.

It isn't just farmers that receive subsidies etc. If you look around you, you will see signs everywhere of things that the EU have helped to fund [usually in places that central government want to forget exist] The Eden Project is one example.

Obviously those who voted to leave didn't realise where are borders are, this side of the channel, North Sea, etc.
Controlling our borders causes chaos; but you go ahead and cause chaos.

Farmers will vote to remain, if I was receiving the subsidy that they are, I'd vote to remain.

I think you've missed something there, berdie. If my part of the world is anything to go by farmers voted more or less 50/50 Leave/Remain. So clearly the subsidy wasn't always a deciding factor. Of course, a huge number of farmers will go bust without the subsidy and there's absolutely no guarantee that the UK government will be able or willing to match it.

We need to support UK, wether we we voted yea or nay,

And how are we supposed to do that? Seriously, I'd really like to know...

120 MPs have called for the Brexit impact reports to be published. It might be even more now.

There maybe lots of BMW and VW cars on the docks and driving around with the logos but it is only a small percentage of the output of these companies. That is the bigger point rather than numbers. UK no longer really manufactures cars - Jaguar /Land rovers etc are not really the cars of the masses. Ford assembles most if not all of their cars on the continent - our one came from Belgium.
Not too much manufacturing going on in UK now and even when there is the chance the Govt allows or brings in foreign countries to make/run the companies.
Somewhere in Mid Wales I think it is there is a company setting up to make what is in effect houses which are prefabricated - but a far cry from the prefabs erected after the war. Indeed Has homes in Germany are luxurious things. Instead of having a British company doing this it has gone to a Chinese one - with presumably a British work force. I saw the item on local Welsh news about a year ago and was disgusted that the Govt did not support a UK company to build these homes.

Obviously those who voted to leave didn't realise where are borders are, this side of the channel, North Sea, etc.

I've often thought that it was most unfortunate (part of that 'perfect storm' really) that the EU ref. was happening at the height of the migrant crisis; making it very easy for people to confuse Freedom of Movement for EU nationals with the absolutely non-EU migrants trying to desperately enter the UK. I think they thought that if they voted Leave the migrants would disappear... As it is, it seems to me that the French will promptly return our border to Dover (at present we do border checks in Calais) and wave migrants onto the channel ferries with a merry 'Bon Voyage' to speed them on their way.

Not only will Dover become a vast lorry park but we'll have a 'Dover Jungle' of our own...