Universal Credits- a new nightmare

I haven't noticed it before FarNorth.

I think (dare I say this) the UC issue is like waiting for the second shoe to drop. We know something else, probably pretty dreadful, is coming, but we don't know what and we don't know when. I do think the Tories are determined to continue though.

Basic Income was discussed on the Daily Politics today so it seems to be coming in from the cold and edging into mainstream conversation. Perhaps someone will have a lightbulb moment - but I shan't hold my breath.

petra, have you any comments related to Universal Credit, or only to shoes?

(I don't know why GN seems to attract people who like to talk about shoes.)

Could you put some detail on that remark Lemons and then I might be able to answer it. It isn't really a question is it - just you being nasty again.

Are you for real GGM2 and not from another century yourself??

No petra. If you were taking a pride in yourself you might decide YOUR polished shoes matter. Shoe watching other people is judgemental - nothing more, nothing less.

Such snobbery of the 'I'm better than you because I understand the rules and can pick on you because I don't believe you are obeying them" type is both very distasteful and more of the last century than this. By voicing it you may get a little frisson in that instant as you put yourself on a pedestal but you will also show people what judgement they should make of your pettiness.

GracesGran
Absolutely nothing to do with the reasons you give: I suppose it all comes down to what pride you have in yourself and what standards you expect from other people.
I do know that mine are high, and yours are somewhat lower.

Who cares about her shoes Jen. I have never heard anything so ridiculous, in this day and age, as judging someone by their shoes. It makes me wonder if we should check out what they call the rooms in their house or how they hold their knife and fork - just in case we should be judging them - quite pathetic.

Annie said Corbyn needed a wife to polish his shoes for him, like they did in the forties. We were just saying it was the men who polished shoes in the forties, not the women.

Yes Iam64 I think most of us who had Fathers in the Services were shown how to clean shoes ?.Mine had it down to an art form with spit and polish.

Who cleans your shoes, lemon?

Petra ?
Looks as if your shoe comments have touched a nerve.

I think the pre NHS days must have been horrendous for the vast majority of people. What is staggering is those of the generation who were born around the time of the birth of the NHS but do not seem to care that there is intent to first fragment and then destroy universal care. It is quite horrifying that people believe it when they are told we cannot afford the NHS as it is and yet other countries who are as wealthy or less wealthy than us spend more than we do. More of the power of propaganda.

durhamjen, my dad taught me how to polish my shoes. He also taught me how to wash my hands 'Properly" to get rid of germs. He largely left the emotional side of parenting to mum, as was the way in those days but he provided a real sound base on the expectations of living a decent life and contributing to society. So yes, I'd say it was the working class way that dad's taught us how to polish our shoes. In my case, it probably linked to her service as a (royal) marine in WW2 - we were even taught to brush the bit of the shoe between the heel and the front ball part of the shoe.
Plus, the 40's the welfare state and the NHS - glorious days. My grandparents often talked about the anxiety of needing 2/6pennies for the doctor. My dad lost half a lung to pneumonia because they delayed sending for the doctor when the mills were on short time.

Not caring about the people adversely affected by the problems with UC is an example of a very poor standard IMO

Is there something wrong with the politics of the forties, anyway, when the welfare state and the NHS came into being?

It was always my dad's job to polish our shoes in the fifties and sixties, never the woman's job.
Maybe that's the working class way.

I was always told it was gold-diggers who judged a man by his shoes - it told them how wealthy he was because shoes are the one thing you cannot borrow.

It was, even then, considered such an old-fashioned way of looking at life, very lower-middle class (when such things were important) and very tasteless.

Concentrating on other people's shoes is not a 'high standard' it is a fetish. Setting the standard for your own shoes and adhering to that is either everyday life - looking reasonably clean and tidy or slightly OCD - who knows where you sit on this spectrum?

Judging another person on their shoes is just plain weird unless they design or sell shoes.

No shoe fetish here, just very high standards with how one should dress, especially when your representing your country. No excuse for dirty shoes.

Petra, in his favour he didn't wear his track suit or his ankle length fur coat, can it be he needs a wife who like his politics is of the forties, to clean his shoes for him

A shoe fetish?

What do TM, Prince Charming and petra have in common?

Maryeliza, is that what they meant about Corbyn's Brexit stance damaging us?

Pensioners? Although if they think we can't fight back ...