Universal Credits- a new nightmare

The sheer contempt being demonstrated by the majority of Tories would be breathtaking if you were silly enough to expect them to care. However, I do wonder if the Government might reduce the 6 weeks to 4? I think there are a handful of Tory MPs who do care and want some changes and hopefully won’t give up

I’d like to think that DG was listening to PM at the moment -some heartbreaking UC stories. But he won’t be will he?

He was given lots of them in the debate today, some from his own side. Shame he wasn't there to listen.

evolvepolitics.com/man-dies-hungry-and-in-fear-after-waiting-weeks-for-first-universal-credit-payment/

www.24housing.co.uk/news/study-shows-catastrophic-potential-of-universal-credit-in-its-current-form/

More research for David Gauke.
Maybe he was reading this instead of attending the debate.

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but employees who are paid weekly will usually go over the limit of income when there are 5 paydays in a month. This means they probably won't get UC in 4 months of the year. Official guidelines say they will have to budget for such months. Cruel, obscene policy And, I will say this again, where are the Tory GNers on this subject? They're out in force on other less controversial political threads!

You actually do not wait for six weeks when you join a new job surely. You get paid on the next pay day so it could be anything up to a month but not more than that. Surely they could and should organise it so that they pay after the first two weeks then (as they don't appear to do months) four weekly after that. Get them organised so that all the paperwork is done within two weeks.

A reminder on James O'Brien that it's a minimum six weeks wait for universal credit. Lots of people phoned in to tell him.
Most people going on universal credit work in jobs that pay weekly, not monthly.

mines if we want the Tory GNers out in force we need to put Corbyn in the thread title ?

Is the six week delay built into the system also not saving the Government quite a few billion in a one-off saving?

Tories don't really care about people going into debt or losing their homes. Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on twitter?

mobile.twitter.com/MoggMentum/status/922224594160902149/photo/1

"If you tell people that their own labours will not benefit them, they will cease to labour and you have to stand over them with a whip to make them do things. That's human nature."
Jacob Rees-Mogg on twitter today!

Have you seen the way he lounges about on his bench in the commons?
Maybe he needs a whip taking to him.

Every time inwatch PMQ I note the Tory front bench sneering superciliously. (Is that a word?)

Yes, it's a word, and it's what they do.

It always makes me think of the French word for eyebrow, cil, they put their eyebrows above anybody else.
Mind, I don't think that's why Gove does it. He just looks permanently surprised.

A link to the mumsnet thread about UC. Heartbreaking stories and a lot of justifiable outrage. The occasional idiot who knows nothing about having no money to spare. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3066503-Universal-Credit-wont-be-paid-in-months-with-5-weeks-WTF-AIBU-to-think-no-one-realises?pg=1&order=

Universal credit has been planned for several years with area by area roll-out.

Surely this should have been foreseen? Has no-one thought this through???

They do not give a toss about making people miserable, worried or homeless. They don't even give a toss about humble landlords not getting paid their rent (most landlords own just one property).

For the few, not the many.

No mostlyharmless, either no one thought it through or they did and don't give a ***.

There is a sad bit of me that feels they did know, how could they not unless they genuinely do live only amongst the wealthy and never meet a constituent who is one of the hardworking poor/the sick/the ill/the depressed, anxious, on the ASD spectrum, suffering from diagnosable mental or physical health problems that make working full time on minimum wage, or on a zero hours contract - or so many other "things" that mean an individual and possibly their partner and children are dependent on benefits.

As JessM says, for the few, not the many.

durhamjen
have you seen the way he lounges about on his seat in the commons
Did you see Corbyns dirty scruffy shoes when he gave a speech in Brussels last week.
Nothing wrong if want to lounge in your place of work, but to not take the trouble to look smart when your talking at such an important event says a lot about the man.

So if anyone was wondering why no right wingers were commenting, we now have a comment, and it's about......shoes

I think it is a little of both Iam. If you can mentally denigrate those you wish to attack it makes it easier to do so. The neo-libral capitalists need to do that; the old fashioned regulatory capitalists did not. Sadly, the more you convince others that these are shirkers, benefit defrauders, etc., the more you are likely to start believing it yourself and, if these people are not your tribe it becomes even more difficult to empathise with them.

It just makes me feel so sad.

petra thank you so much for your contribution - you have demonstrated perfectly why the right in this country is so morally bankrupt. I take it you have not been listening to PM this week on UC? No why should you because you wouldn’t be able to see the interviewer’s shoes.

GG sad?? It makes me bloody furious

My thoughts exactly maryeliza. What the heck have shoes got to do when people are starving and many more will be in the same position running up to Christmas.

I do get furious, then feel helpless and then sad. At some stage people will refuse to feel helpless but then what ...?