Jews and racism

Welshwife - there are still a few small Jewish communities like those your mother knew. After we left Gateshead we went to live in Southend where there's a thriving community, many from the old East End of London (the elders now dying off sadly).
We had one or two incidents there, but in general Southend people are tolerant and welcoming.
We spent some time in Hull too - similar story. Many Jewish families there descended from Russian immigrants in the early 19C.
It's a very mixed picture, which the media can't convey.

If you want the most reasoned argument about anti-semitism, Israel and Jewish identity I have ever heard do listen to Jackie Walker- and I am aware that she has been branded an anti-semite. Though how this can be true when she identifies herself as Jewish I don't really understand.
www.facebook.com/TRTP2/videos/779171798908409/

Agreed trisher, I am not defending Corbyn or the Labour party here, but to my mind there is a big difference between hating what Israel is doing to Palestine, and being anti-semitic, as the groups of Jewish Israelis who protest against these acts would indicate. I hate what Israel is doing, but that does not make me hate every Jewish person.

The Labour Party has a lot to do to convince Jewish people that their interests would be safe in their hands, if ever they come to power.Those figures are staggering, 87% !

Welshwife There are a lot of sections to the survey, and it has been broken down into so many different comparisons that it really needs a professional statistician to analyse it and explain the detail.

I have no idea of how the Jewish community might be feeling but I really hope that what this report is saying is not the true picture. Before the war there were large groups of Jewish people living in London and following various trades. My mother knew a number of Jewish people and indeed worked with and for a number of them. She only had good to say of them.
The U.K. a took in a lot of persecuted Jews in the war and rescued children - if it is true that they now feel unwanted and need to leave that is a great shame and does the UK no favours as a tolerant nation.
I read those posted references about the surveys but could not really make head nor tail of them!

The CAA report on their own website says that antisemitism is falling.

antisemitism.uk/caa-research-shows-that-antisemitism-is-falling-but-1-in-3-british-jews-has-considered-emigrating-with-concern-mounting-over-antisemitic-crime-and-antisemitism-in-politics/

Thank you TriciaF, just seeing the brick makes one shudder

Here's the report I referred to earlier:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/anti-semitic-hate-crime-attacks-british-jews-assaults-uk-incidents-record-high-cst-research-a7861721.html

I understand why some are denying the news report, Baroness Shami said it wasn't true!

Good idea Jen, hope you succeed

Thank you, Annie.
I'll try and remember that IN THE NEWS THIS MORNING means on the BBC.

Thank you Elegran for your posts, I could only post what was said in BBC news this morning,

ps many Jews are also scared by the increasing number of terrorists attacks from Isis etc in the UK and other parts of Europe. On the whole orthodox Jews oppose violence, not like some of their brethren in Israel, the Sabra types.
As MissAdventure says, some communities in the UK are flourishing, TG, as we heard from some visitors from the Gateshead Jewish community last week.

Jen, check the O/P, it starts with IN THE NEWS THIS MORNING .

I don't read the red tops or the daily mail, but I would read one of them before voxpox

I'm not surprised about the reported complaints from Jews about antisemitism in the Labour Party. A lot of it is because Corbyn supports the Palestinians. Most liberal Jews do see both sides, but not the ultra-orthodox.
OTOH one of the main spokesmen for the N. London Jewish Community is a staunch member of the Labour Party.
I'll try to dig out the figure from an organisation which records the numbers of antisemitic attacks - verbal and physical.

The problem once again comes down to the definition of anti-semitism and if it is anti-semetic to oppose the actions of Israel . Many members of the Labour Party and many Labour voters find the treatment of the Palestinian people unacceptable and have said so very loudly. It is a very narrow line and no doubt some Jewish people will feel some Labour supporters have crossed it. However it doesn't mean they have any antagonism towards Jewish people just to the policies which have seen people suffering.

There is too much data in the survey to make instant comments on sensibly. The thing that does stand out is that a lot of Jewish people are unhappy, and that more of them are unhappy at the Labour Party's record than at anyt other party.

From the unweighted sample of 1857 in the 2017 survey (I can't copy the table formated accurately with different ages etc,, to see this bit you will have to download the survey and look at page 75) but to paraphrase it:-

"DO YOU FEEL THAT ANY POLITICAL PARTIES ARE TOO TOLERANT OF ANTISEMITISM AMONG THEIR MPS, MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS?

Labour Party 87%
Conservative Party (Tories) 12%
Liberal Democrat Party 35%
UK Independence Party (UKIP) 43%
Green Party 48%
Scottish National Party (SNP) 39%
None of the above 2%
Don’t know 4%"

durhamjen
You don't believe these facts but you do believe the Guardian when it claims that 1,000s of academics, Doctors, nurses are leaving the uk over brexit. Selective reading me thinks.

Sorry, but you cannot combine three years results. You could be counting the same people over again and again.

Page six of the antisemitism barometer says 1614 adults were sampled in 2017.

The first part of my post of 17:17:33 has the figures for the general British adults and their view of Jewish stereotypes, apparently aggregated from the surveys of 2015, 16 and 17.

That may in fact include duplicated individuals - bu the percentage of the total number of interviews over the three years is till the same, and is a large number of people with prejudices.

The reason I said the redtops is because I looked up Annie's statement that Jews are thinking of leaving the UK because of racism, and it was then only in the Mirror, Sun and DM.

Do you not think there is a difference between saying that they are thinking about leaving the UK and that they have considered it over the last two years?

The 10,000 are from the Israeli report, dj. That was the first serious reporting of the survey I found. I think that was the result of the combined findings from the years from 2015 to 2017. The 800, 000 British adults (not just Jewish, There were two parts to the survey, general and Jewish. It is all there in the methodology) were also combined figures for 2015, 2016 and 2017,

"The findings are part of a report published Sunday by the Campaign Against Antisemitism watchdog group, which conducted since 2015 interviews with more than 10,000 British Jews together with the YouGov market research company. "

The survey was only taken by Jews. I doubt whether there are 800,000 Jews taking part in yougov surveys.

Thank you for your link, Elegran. It says sample size 1614, so where did you get 10,000 from?