I Will Deal With It

I thought speculating on the political views of someone based on 2 words is a sign of lazy thinking.

I always knew Benefit Fraud was a relatively small amount.It is also offset by the number of people who don't claim benefits because of the difficulties involved in filling in the forms and fear of condemnation because they don't look as if they are disabled. A friend's daughter with Aspergers was very upset by the questions about suicide.

I thought using the phrase 'virtue signalling', a bit like 'politically correct', was the political right's way of trying to diminish the truth

Wow.
I had no idea public sector fraud is so high. I actually found other sources as I didn't believe the numbers when I first saw it.

"Fraud in the public sector of around £37.5 billion and is equivalent to 5.5 per cent of the £694 billion spent annually. Central government bears the majority of this cost at around £30 billion per year. Procurement fraud is again a major source of losses, costing central and local Government a combined £10.5 billion per year."

Experian study with the Centre for Counter Fraud Studies 2016
www.experian.co.uk/assets/identity-and-fraud/pkfexperian-fraud-indicator-report.pdf

It isn't "virtue signalling" to try to get someone to understand that there pre-conceived and ill founded ideas may be wrong. Yes there may be people who are receiving benefits they are not entitled to and your man may be one of them, but none of the things you have posted PROVE he is. It is prejudice like this that causes so much distress for people with hidden disabilities. And I have and do campaign for disability rights since the 1990s. What amazes me is that there are still people who consider they can identify people with disabilities just by looking.

Good link, Penstemmon. I hope those who talk about benefit fraud are just as concerned about tax fraud. After all, benefit fraud is a whole 2% of overall fraud to the system.

Primrose

www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-busting-real-figures-benefit-fraud

Quite interesting to look at if we are worried about fraud.

Campaigning for equal rights for all disabled people is politics, roses.

Yes please roses Best suggestion today

No one here is campaigning. It's arguing trisher
I'm blinded by the virtue signalling on these threads sometimes.

Back to politics anybody?

Galen. could probably tell you a thing or two trisher about these matters.

We should all support those with genuine problems, but only a fool would think that there are not also those who seek to con.

I'm NOT gossiping I'm CAMPAIGNING for equal rights for all disabled people

Well, going on about disabilty puts off talking about the Labour Party and it's shortcomings I guess Primrose it's a diversionary tactic.

Sorry roses, I wasn't aware that supporting people who may have genuine disabilities, or who don't but aren't claiming benefits, was a preserve of labour supporters?

It isn't about one person Primrose65 there are hundreds if not thousands of disabled people who suffer every day because of negative attitudes like this.

" living a life where they are gossiped about "

Exactly what's happening here on this thread. Let's all stop gossiping.

rosesarered nobody who needs to walk with the aid of crutches can run on a treadmill
Mental health problems can convince people of all sorts of things, such as a dependence on crutches, but perhaps you think this isn't a disability ?

I get really upset when people try and claim when they're not entitled. There was a story about a guy who claimed he lost his family in Grenfell Towers and took money from the victims' charity. Nearly £10k in total, according to the Guardian.
I don't think anyone thinks everyone claims wrongly. I don't think anyone thinks no-one claims wrongly.
Why such a long argument over a random person?

In fact...was is happening on here, is that Smileless is being got at by the Labour supporting comrades, so obvious!
Move on.

What moral high horse riding from some........nobody who needs to walk with the aid of crutches can run on a treadmill, so Smileless is absolutely right, do no posters think there are a few dodgy people out there claiming disability allowance? There are.

There are those who think the Labour Party are all saints, surely hypocracy can be seen. There are those on the Labour side who avoid tax ( as well as others from different political parties) and massive hypocracy from some in Corbyns inner circle who send their children to grammar schools and private schools whilst howling about the iniquity of selective schools!

Primrose65 we are talking about disability benefits and those who claim them and how it is impossible (despite what the tabloids want you to believe) to identify people with disabilities from appearances. You may not consider this important but for people with hidden disabilities it can mean living a life where they are gossiped about and shunned, which is what it seems is happening to the man at Smileless2012 's gym.
He may for example have arthritis which makes movement difficult when he has been sitting, and he finds using the gym enables him to loosen up and eventually use a treadmill. Smileless2012 although she has no medical expertise and has never spoken to him apparently knows better.

Exactly, durhamjen and devongirl.