Cliff Edge anyone?

Hmmm..

This is interesting

Labour could CHANGE its Brexit stance if public mood shifts says member of Jeremy Corbyn's top team

Shadow cabinet minister Andrew Gwynne suggested Labour’s support for Brexit could be “flexible” if public opinion turns against leaving Europe

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-could-change-brexit-stance-10871230

Very mixed messages coming from the Labour Party, especially in view of the fixed conviction that Corbyn and McConnell are very pro Brexit.

Yes I think there is a high likelihood that Corbyn will move on Brexit, he makes a virtue of listening. The majority of Labour members voted remain. Pressure must continue.

So our standards are agreed and in place. Something we are happily living with and have control of.

What price taking back control if America can dictate different regulations/ standards?

Express article

Lord Kerr the architect of Article 50 has said that Brexit must be halted in the UK because of the dire consequences, which are becoming ever clearer. 60 other high profile people join him in the warning.

"We see our economy, society and politics being seriously undermined due to the impact of Brexit.

Alas, even though it's becoming more and more obvious that the consequences of brexit are dire, there will be civil war in the country if the people who voted for it don't get their wish . I've never been this country in such a sorry state [and self inflicted].

What form do you think a 'civil war' would take, Tegan?

When we had a thread on 'What would you do if Brexit were reversed' there didn't seem to be anyone willing to take to the streets over it. (Though I'd hardly expected we older people to be raring to smash and burn.. )

It's probably a lot of what I read on facebook, Maizie; the constant 'you lost, get over it' jibes whenever a point is made with regards the problems facing us because of brexit. Also [and this is probably me being paranoid] the fact that I wore a 'I'm In' sticker for a couple of days prior to the referendum and took it off one day because I was scared of being accosted in the street because of it. And a comment made by a policeman when I asked about a Britain First march that was taking place that day; 'they should have marched years ago' he said.I should have taken his number and complained, but I was so shocked I just walked away.The referendum has opened up a can of worms in this country and it terrifies me.

Not just on facebook, Tegan.

Thankfully I don't have many friends on Facebook so don't get get a huge number of 'notifications', let alone pro Brexit ones.

Nor do I on twitter though if I follow pro Leave threads there are a usually a number of unpleasant tweets from Leavers.

But would they actually leave their keyboards and do anything? If they did, what might they do?

The government has the police and the army to deploy; what would they have?

Sorry, that should be 'pro Remain threads'

Please can we have an 'edit' button, Gnet

September 2018 report on migration -just in time for the government to be able to say that immigration is actually necessary . It is clear from the 4 interview that there has been no real work done on this issue except for the ridiculous tens of thousands announcement, which is now clearly impossible.

Back to the meat issue.

Information on mumsnet

The EU banned chlorinated chicken processing in the 1990s because the much higher doses of chlorine created trihalomethans (THM) which are cancer causing by-products that also increase the risk of damage to heart, lung, kidneys, liver and central nervous system.

The farmers inject the cattle quite some time before they are slaughtered with a hormone that begins to break down their muscles and tendons, in order to produce a tender steak for the American consumption

There are studies that suggest the use of these hormones disrupt the normal hormone function in humans especially children, where it has been associated with abnormal reproductive function.

Once the best divorce deal possible has been established- which none of us, I believe, expect to be a good deal for Britain - couldn't they (the Government) put acceptance of this to a public vote, basically as a second referendum, where the choice is to accept the deal or remain in the EU? Surely this would be a very democratic thing to do.
If the majority still voted to leave, so be it, but if this time the majority wanted to remain, the leavers would not be able to accuse the Government of ignoring the will of the people.

mama I think we know for sure what the majority do not want both remainers and Leavers. And that would include the majority of Brexiters in GN. Simon Jenkins outlined it today

No one really wants tariffs and barriers against European markets.

No one wants NHS and care workers to be sent packing

No one wants British farms to close

No one wants to have to get a visa every time they visit the EU.

We know that we simply cannot replicate all the regulatory agencies, all operating under the ECJ.

May should already be aware of this, but no plan of any sense seems to be forthcoming.

Genuine questions -

Where are all the Brexiters who so robustly defended their votes?

Could some please come forward and tell us honestly where they now stand?

If still of the same mindset can you see a way to reassure those of us expressing deeply felt concerns? (other than the 'suck it up' or 'pull together comments)?

If you've had a change of heart would you please let us know what it was that caused you to change your minds?

As I posted some time ago and as mamacaz has just reiterated - what's the objection to a second referendum based on known facts? After all, the first referendum was advisory.

Chris Wilkins, May's director of strategy who co-wrote her Brexit speech in January, has resigned.
So neither of her speech writers believe in it any more.

Independent is very worried about Fox. He seems to me to be a lose cannon, and seems happy to negotiate a form of TTIP on steroids, which threatens so much of our food standards and social life like the NHS.

Has no one got control!!

Well, as the government has just realised that they ought to do a cost and benefit exercise on EU migrants, then obviously not. Taken them a long time to think of it, and it will take them over a year to do it.
They could just commission fullfact to do it for them.
Oh, they've already done it.

fullfact.org/immigration/costs-and-benefits/

That's what I don't understand there is loads of information out there. I think that there is an agenda behind the so called report, which will give them an opt out clause when the time comes.

I have just been reading that there is only a 50% chance of us leaving the EU anyway.
Sounds just like the vote.
The main stumbling block will be the ECJ, which people believe has something to do with the EU, even May thinks that, but it doesn't.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-26/u-k-commissions-study-into-impact-of-eu-workers-on-economy

www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-07-25/path-to-brexit-deal-filled-with-thorns-ahead-of-summer-recess

Brandon Lewis has contradicted Rudd. over the FOM plan

Johnson hasn't heard anything about it. I wonder if May knows!!! Glad the cabinet is working well together.

Brandon and Rudd need to have a chat - and they are in the same department!

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/property-market-news-foxtons-estate-agents-profits-falls-64-eu-referendum/

Nothing to say but WOW!