PS. Apparently there are 19 openly LGBT Conservative MPs, who don't seem very happy about a coalition with 10 DUP MPs.
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Is it too late for a U turn on Brexit or at least watering it down?
(482 Posts)We oldies need to admit we got it wrong about leaving the eu, we are putting our young family members future at risk. Unity is now priority
The deep concerns by commerce, industry & farmers on our economy and hard times ahead should not be lightly dismissed.
The horrors of this week have highlighted the need for much closer unity with our neighbours in Europe. We cannot gamble on a hard Brexit to resolve differences, we need to stop and rethink how we can resolve our differences without the extremism of Brexit. Is it too late or can we save ourselves from a possible disaster? To do otherwise could be taking a gamble we just cannot afford to take on our young families future.
I am not prepared to leave it to Teresa May and trust her hard Brexit colleagues. Therefore I shall not vote for her type of Brexit.
Hmm! This getting interesting. Ruth Davidson would appear to be planning a Scottish breakaway on Brexit. The DUP wants a "soft" border with the Republic. I haven't got my mathematical hat on at the moment, but if Labour has the courage to vote against the Tories on Brexit, that means that the Tories can't have a majority, because the SNP and LibDems won't support them.
It's all getting too complicated! A coalition of chaos in fact! Arrrggghhh!
Truejane but also true that gg has every right to express her views however unpalatable you find them.
FFS change the record. All that is only your opinion and is no more valid than anyone else's.
The Tories do not think of the national interest Maizie. Bringing the referendum, certainly bringing it in the way they did with no defined quorum in the form of a minimum threshold turn-out (sixty percent is agreed by many as a suitable threshold) in order to make constitutional change was done because the sheer arrogance of Tories tells them they will get their will.
Tory arrogance which allows that the people can be allowed to believe they make decisions but they have a natural right to leadership also led T May to call the most recent election.
The views of the right wing are such that they cannot put the needs of the country first; they believe that when you have got it you should keep it and they don't only believe this about money and control of the economy, they believe it about running the country too.
I agree and voted remain. However, we should adhere to the democratic will of the electorate no matter how much some of them disagree!
Only one thing wrong with that Jane10; Brexit isn't in the national interest.
I agree luckygirl. The best minds from across all parties need to be involved. I was particularly pleased to see Vincent Cable re elected. We live in a democracy. The people have spoken and all sides should work together in the national interest.
What is needed from this end is a cross party working party dealing with the negotiations so that all views can be represented and some compromises sought. The vote in the referendum was too close for any one party to monopolise the negotiations.
Brexit negotiations will be impossible anyway. There isn't a good solution.
Tonight we saw on German TV all the folders containing subjects of discussion in the Brexit negotiations. Stacked sideways they took up yards and yards of space.
It will not be finished in 2 years and what has not been discussed or solved will remain unsolved so Ms May must get her head down and issue the order of preference so that the important subjects are dealt with first.
I get the impression that real work has not been done regarding Brexit and if she has to go then even more time will be wasted.
Corbyn needs to lead the way
Theresa May is in a very fragile situation with no overall majority and only an unstable liaison with the DUP. Many people expect another general election within months. What would happen if May is in the middle of Brexit negotiations? It would be total chaos.
So we really need to have cross-party consensus or the Brexit negotiations will be impossible.
I wonder if there is some way for the opposition to raise a vote against the DUP working to support the Conservatives - it seems so anti-democratic. With devolution to the three smaller countries it puts two of those three at such a disadvantage. Things have changed over the years and I wonder if this advantage is not now illegal. Probably not but it would be interesting to find out.
GG we were coming home to France - we voted in the Constituency we last lived in UK and then headed for the port in the pouring rain. It all went well at the polling station - we were at the end of the list and had no problems - much to my amazement. It was driving through France we had no decent reception. At home now and I am still trying to catch up with all the posts.
This morning on the boat I encountered a lady who was obviously a disgruntled Tory Brexiteer. When I said I thought it was quite a good result (had been dreading a Tory landslide) she asked in a rather supercilious tone 'really?' And when I said 'yes' she was obviously cross and said in a nasty miffed way - 'Brexit will still happen!' I did not deign to give an answer to that - could not be bothered.!
I have just seen Seema Malhotra talking about the fact that a hard Brexit is off the table because May lacks authority now. The problem with authority is that if you only assume it. it will disappear at the drop of a hat. If you earn it you can ride out many difficulties and still be seen to have it.
I am so impressed with some of the less seen LP MPs. Seema came over so much more in touch than Bill Cash, who chimed out the standard Tory mantra on full employment. So many of the Conservatives seem very out of step with where the world is and how people are living now. SM seemed to have a much better idea of what is a priority to many people.
Saw your post Welshwife. I hope your reception improves when you get to where you are going.
You are right whitewave. The quite remainers within the Conservative party are definitely surfacing - I have just seen another interview with Eric Pickles; he is certainly doing the rounds and very much giving the impression that a 'hard Brexit' is off the adgenda.
No, not Nick Clegg, he is extremely biased and his constituency have rejected him anyway.
Nick Clegg's politics are not something the word 'biased' can be applied to Jalima. It is his political stance and while you might hold a different one it is still his political view and yours is yours; nothing to do with being 'biased'. It appears that it is more to do with you and him not agreeing about the EU. That is just two people holding different views.
I think the government would be wise to scoop him up to help with the negotiating. He doesn't need to be a MP to do that. Everyone keeps talking about this being a divided country; putting him in a negotiating position would help heal that divide.
Ruth Davis is after a soft Brexit
Well she's got to bring it back to Westminster bit by bit. She can't afford to annoy the DUP as they want a soft Brexit as do most of her MPs - There is going to be an enormous fight in the Tory party
It's all very well Soubry agreeing that it's the end of hard brexit but does Mad May know it?
Anna Soubry on Channel 4 looks and sounds totally pissed!
Soubry agrees that it is the end of a hard Brexit. She will be followed by many in the Tory party and all of Labour.
What an incredible relief
Calm down, do...
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