Brexit - the end of the beginning - the negotiations begin

only a minor brat - try real brats like Rees Mog, Johnson and and Davis non of whom would give a tinkers if GB plc went belly up tomorrow and If you really want to see the ordinary people with whom I consort google my handle There a bit of bedtime reading for those who need to get a life

I agree with you in that one POGS. But to some extent the perceived arrogance is an inescapable consequence of a 28 partner structure. They had little option other than create the Commission and hand it substantial powers, and introduce a cumbersome legislation process with no any effective veto for individual states, and no practical means of reversing out of bad decisions in any sensible timeframe.

All isn't as sweetness and light that they want us to believe. The eastern and southern states are not best pleased that they are going to have to up their payments to cover the shortfall or the richer states are going to have to stump up more.
Let's not forget the Greek 'problem' is looming, once again.
It's all going very well, isn't it
Has anyone read that the Spanish government has been lying to its people Re the level of its debt to the eu.

No, he hasn't Jen. Which, of course, was exactly my point.

This is interesting.

Macron has been ' doing the rounds ' saying 'The EU Must
Reform or Face 'FREXIT'.

France election: Macron says EU must reform or face 'Frexit'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39766334

Of course he is only trying to take votes off of Le Penn , park his tank on her lawn so to speak.

Had the EU Commission, the top players such as the likes of Junker and Tusk, listened over many years and admitted to it's faults and concerns from the EU Parliament / the EU MEP's and indeed 'Reformed' we may never have the Referendum in the first place.

The EU Commission is not necessarily held in the same awe/respect as some GN posters and I think divisions may well come to light over a period of time. I hope so.

Where do you get that idea, ninny?

Don't know that much about her background to say.
Any ideas, john?

So you admit defeat in the General Election durhamjen before even one vote has been cast, not confident in Jeremy Corbyn winning then, not surprised who would be.

True enough. So she is the spoilt brat?

Labour and Libdems will not be involved in the negotiations, though, Fitzy.
They might be on the committees but May and the three Brexiteers have the final say, and I'm not even sure if the Brexiteers have that much of a say.

Who are the rich kids and who are the ordinary folk John? What about the spoilt brat Labour and LD politicians - are we letting them off the hook? Sorry i should have asked what you mean by spoilt, and what you mean by a brat? Just that some of us don't have your very keen insight and clear minded wisdom.

course they will be prepared to sell to you the question id how much are you prepared to pay, because once the spoilt brat conservative politicians start to play fast and loose the tariffs will bite and whilst it'll never impact on the rich kids the ordinary folk will end up paying the bill -- unless of course your a rich kids your sen yorkshiregal

Radicalnan please don't fill the Channel tunnel yet. I'm in it!

Worth a thought from the FT

Ford has warned that the competitiveness of the UK’s auto industry will be put “at risk” if Britain leaves the EU without a deal that provides access to the market, in its starkest warning over the future of British production yet.

And what about Nissan owned by Japan and by France
Sunderland had better hope and pray that any deal is in the interests of overseas share holders

Haven't got a PM at the moment to support, Yorkshiregel. Have you forgotten she called an election?

Just wanted to add that I do not understand why people think it is the end of the world as we know it. We will still be able to holiday in Europe, you can still live, work and study in Europe. We will still trade with Europe but in a different way ie we will trade with individual countries not as a 'block'. You do not really believe that Germany will stop selling cars to Britain do you? They export a lot to us. More than we do to them. That is only one example. I LOVE Europe and the people of European countries. We holiday there all the time and I have family living there. We are NOT LEAVING EUROPE just leaving the EU which is an entirely different matter. As Churchill said 'We are of Europe but we do not want to be ruled by Europe'. Our efforts now should be to support our PM and get the best deal we can for our children's sake.

Cannot wait for all this to be over and sorted. I hope Mrs May does not do a U-Turn and let the EU take more advantage of our generosity than they already have done. All these Remoaners need to get behind the country. We are LEAVING! If they do not support Mrs May then the world will think us weak so we should now all gather together and try and make this a success. If not then our families will suffer for you waiting to say 'I told you so' Britain has a lot to offer. The EU should stop being spiteful and realise that if they do not then we will just walk away and they will be the losers.

DJ I do stick my nose into the Guardian from time to time - I think I sent you a link yesterday. As I've said before though, it's a bit one sided for my taste. I would recommend the Times!

DJ exactly what I read. Key words at the start of clause 2. "In light of [the guidelines] the Union shall negotiate with the state ..
We have no say in the guidelines (that's clear from the later text) but the claus 2 wording, to my mind, says that it guides the Union negotiating team. The guidelines don't apply to the other negotiating party - so we have in no way signed up to allowing the EU to set the process and agenda with no input from us.

pro remain OR leave

Why do you assume I don't like the idea daphne? I didn't say I am pro remain it leave, I commented on what I have read on gransnet, and said we do now need to accept and get on with it. You have no idea which way I voted as I haven't said anything about it, I simply believe it would be better to hope for a good deal given the circumstances.

You are so far off the truth, ninny, that it's laughable.

So true maddyone, some posters seem to love everything about the EU and EU migrants and despise everything British and the ordinary British working man/woman.

There is and article showing leaked notes on the dinner last week in Downing Street. I saw it early this morning and it came up as a list - however I have looked again to find a link but can only come up with one which takes you to Twitter and a series of tweets. FAZ is the account if anyone wants to read it.

DDavis was annoying May by the looks of it.

Read Article 50, Maddyone. We can ask to rejoin if we want to. It says so. You may not like that idea, but I'd rather have that safety valve than nothing.