How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

Oh dear Ana. I wasn't saying they were nice - I don't know them so how could I say, but I do not hear, as I have just said, the LDs, the LPs or the Greens shouting loudly, repeat drivel often and lying about their opposition.

If that is not what you find then say so rather than adding to the ridicule your party tends to attempt - often rather poorly.

It seems to me they ape the old fashioned upper classes they presumably aspire to join - the Hoorays and others who have a despicable sense of entitlement.

Just don't vote.

Indeed Jalima - I am exactly in that situation. But I can see no sense in splitting the opposition to the sitting MP and therefore guaranteeing no change. I presume that the 3 other parties standing have no wish to see him re-elected; but do not seem to have the wit to do the only possible thing to achieve that aim which is to stand down in favour of the candidate who stands the best chance of achieving their aims.

my wise old mum used to say... if in doubt don't do anything.

If you're in such a position that you are "trying" to find something that doesn't exist and going between the weak and the stupid just "because" then you really don't deserve to vote.

But Luckygirl just because they do not agree with the Tories does not mean that they agree with Labour either.

Or, Jalima, with any other party they may be left voting for just to stop us being overrun by TMs Tories. I think there will be a lot of 'least worst' voting sadly. I do wish the LP would come out in favour of PR.

repeat drivel often

Only on the radio (LBC)

So do I, Gracesgran. They are going to have to before the boundary changes come in, so why not now.

Unfortunately "labour" does not stand for what I and my ancestors have fought long and hard for. It's a crying shame, yet a hard fact. Blair was the nail in the coffin. I do however feel that May is a very fair leader and will change things for the better in a working class environment.

How?

Just catching up with some threads after being away and have found this thread most informative. Some excellent posts.

Aliveandkicking please tell us how TM can be perceived as 'a very fair leader' and how she will change things for the better for the working class. She's gone very quiet about those she called 'just about managing' in our society. Do you honestly think she cares? The Conservatives conserve - their wealth. Tax cuts for the wealthy isn't going to solve the poverty and cuts in services. We should be ashamed to have so many families relying on food banks.

I hope very soon she will not be in a position to have to demonstrate her intentions about anything. At the very least a very much reduced majority.

I read today that Labour are considering PR.
The West Midlands mayor won on second preference votes. If it had just been first past the post, Labour would be in control.

What a conundrum.

The SNP didn't need it!

What do you consider to be the English equivalent of the SNP?

Who cares the point his if you have a political party that resonates with the electorate you don't need PR .

Ginny42 I think you may be very disappointed very soon.

That means that no small party can have any influence.
Sorry, but I don't understand why you think that only the big three parties should be able to have their say. Or four if you live in Scotland.

I presume some people care - otherwise there would be no Green Party or Plaid Cymru.

POGS do you mean the SNP in Scotland or in the UK Parliament?

Ginny, I have a hard job trying to convince my grandson that people who have made lots of money out of start-ups - Bill Gates comes to mind - wouldn't need to set up charitable foundations if only they hadn't been quite so greedy all the way through, and shared their money a bit more.

I would like my DC and my DGC (when they are older) to make up their own minds and not try to convince them of any particular political stance or influence them for or against anyone.

So, not your GS's favourite colour this time, but back to Labour durhamjen?. Yes, I agree absolutely Jalima.

What the hell does that mean. Ana?

Green?!

Don't you remember durhamjen? You voted Green and your GS asked whether it was because it was his favourite colour.

How old are your grandchildren, Jalima?
I try and teach my 15 year old grandson about civic responsibility, about sharing, about thinking about those worse off than himself.
Are you going to criticise that? Teaching a child with autism is enough of a problem. Empathy needs to be thought about, talked about. It doesn't come naturally.
Do you want your grandchildren to be selfish, because I don't.