Article 50

Of course immigration is the biggest issue -uncontrolled immigration. Forget the type of person who is undoubtedly racist, uneducated and hasn't a clue. They claim that 'they (?) are taking our jobs' when many of them haven't done a days work in their lives.

The average, thinking Brexiteer, wanted to control immigration not stop essential workers. Everyone with half a brain cell knows we need health workers, people to pick crops, more chefs for my favourite Balti house etc. Personally I'd laugh my socks off if these racist layabouts were forced into the fields at harvest time to earn their benefits

Putting it off a bit ana gives them time to recruit and train people fir all the extras they are going to need in various places - Customs and Border control being probably top if the list
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156922/UK-firms-face-crippling-costs-outside-customs-union.html?ito=email_share_article-bottom

i don't think Ana has the ear of the PM and her cabinet DJ.

It's rather ironic you harking on about negativity when I've yet to read anything positive in your posts yet - on any thread.

That may well be trueAnya but almost without exception people 'from the street' I have seen interviewed on TV about reasons for voting as they did have quoted immigration as being the biggest issue - some if them quite nastily too.

Well, durhamjen, perhaps you had better tell us all exactly how putting Brexit off indefinitely is going to be good for the country? Or don't you care as long as you get your own way?

Theresa May said the brightest and the best are welcome to come. The farmer who is going to lose all his workers does not want the brightest and the best to pick the fruit and veg next year.

Well, Ana, perhaps you had better tell us all exactly what you want to happen with Brexit. You are keen to tell us what you think shouldn't happen.

Welshwife most of those who voted to leave did not vote to stop immigration. Just listen to those on GN who have said this quite clearly. They voted to control unlimited immigration and are more than happy to welcome workers that are needed in this country.

And won't Remainers just love it if the Labour party does just that (comfortably or otherwise)? Clutching at straws, yet again...

"The three-line-whip demanding support for the Article 50 Bill only extends to its second reading – to show that Labour supports the will of the people as expressed in the EU referendum last year. If the Tory government fails to demonstrate that it can deliver a departure from the EU that will be worthwhile for everyone, then Labour can, if the party so desires, comfortably vote against it as being against the public interest. Those are not contradictory positions, for obvious reasons – the Conservatives must show that they can make Brexit work."

skwawkbox.org/2017/01/28/if-article503linewhip-have-you-stumped-these-2-perspectives-may-help/

Worth reading.

Corbyn has always wanted out of the EU, this is a fact. I believe it the reason why he was so quit during the lead up to the referendum. He was jolly quick getting on tv following the result to say the government needed to act quickly. He must be panicking his own party will hold up something he has waited years for.

Tigger. 428 times

It's not very often Carol that the electorate get exactly what they want so why should they this time?
They voted to stop immigration and the Govt are advertising in the EU for Doctors and teachers -

It doesn't matter, tigger.
If he hadn't called a three-line whip, he would have been accused of not taking it seriously.

I just tried to search whether Nuttall voted in that debate, but UKIP's EU website is not safe. I wonder why.

Just noticed that Nuttall is to open up a UKIP office in Stoke. He is being investigated for the last office he opened up and charged for, which turned out to be just a mail drop box.

So how many times did Corbyn defy a three line whip?

www.google.com/url?q=http://www.eurolabour.org.uk/ukip-meps-fail-to-support-stronger-eu-anti-torture-trade-regulations&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjQptnI5eTRAhXFOBoKHYUJByAQFggSMAc&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFjKhte0Dnbb3P4MrjlqCspxgEPLQ

October 4th, last year. Ukip MEPs would rather back those who make money out of torture equipment than the EU ant-torture bill.

I would like to know what the outcome would be if each MP voted the way the majority in their constituency voted. I wonder if someone has worked this out? Presumably it doesn't give the 'right' answer. Otherwise why all the argy bargy?

I love the notion that by imposing a 3-line whip on the Article 50 bill, Jeremy is showing leadership! He's had 16 months to show he can be a leader and all he is shown is that he hasn't got a clue.

No-one knows what the Labour Party stands for anymore because Jeremy is totally unconvincing and uninspiring. Mair - why do you think imposing a 3-line whip on the Article 50 bill will save Labour's bacon in the northern seats? To most people, what Jeremy says is irrelevant. Under his "leadership", the Labour Party cannot be taken seriously and will be finished.

In my view, the Tory government offered a referendum on the EU because they were afraid of losing votes to UKIP in the last General Election. However referendums are better suited to simple issues that most people can understand. The EU and the advantages and disadvantages of membership are far too complex for a referendum.

UKIP will probably win in Stoke because voters want a change from the failed 2-party system we have now. It won't matter what their candidate's election leaflets will say or how small UKIP's membership is.

Do most people read party manifestoes or even believe them if they do? I don't think so!

50:50 as important as Article50.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyT9GnRkCCg&t=31s

The Senydd elections last year.

Labour lost one seat to Plaid

Plaid gained one seat from labour

Tories lost three seats

Libs lost four seats

UKIP gained those seven seats

So UKIP gained from Libs and Tories not from labour

Did anyone locate a manifesto for Nutall? Probably not. In 2015 it was a very last minute affair. He'll have some local literature coming out soon I guess.

The funniest comment in the battle between Gill and Hamilton was Hamilton declaring Gill - must do the honourable thing. Hamilton and honourable just doesn't pair up.

Although the UKIP members of the Sennedd must prefer Hamilton to Gill
Gill is English, Hamilton is Welsh