The cost of Brexit for us; the ordinary people

Listening to various pundits on radio 4, it sounds as if the Government will heave a sigh of relief that he has resigned.

You can't just present snippets of things that you agree with Djen and expect us to treat it as Gospel.

Definitely a UKIPPER, Mair. Don't like experts at all, do you?
I have every respect for genuine expertise but a healthy cynicism about the social sciences and those politically motivated (always) experts in politics, still more so when their paymasters are the bodies about which they are commenting!

What do you think about the UK's most senior diplomat at the EU resigning?
I am surprised you have nothing derogatory to say about that

Its a blessing that a committed remainer has gone. He may well have been pushed.

I never read your links djen as they usually come from dodgy or very left wing sites.

By the way, a quick peruse of the site hardly does it justice.
And roses hasn't even bothered doing that.

Haha! Is that better? I see that you and GG are only talking to each other now,
Well, at least you will have one person to agree with you.

Definitely a UKIPPER, Mair. Don't like experts at all, do you?

What do you think about the UK's most senior diplomat at the EU resigning?
I am surprised you have nothing derogatory to say about that.

Yes, gracesgran. Not what one is led to believe by some on here. Some who have opinions, I mean. not some who just use emoticons.

The medical tourist article is a bit of an eye opener Jen.

Durham said:
This is interesting, about the NHS and Brexit.
ukandeu.ac.uk/healthier-after-brexit/

A quick peruse of that site suggests to me its nothing more than simplistic EU propaganda for schoolchildren

Comments here also "interesting"

news-watch.co.uk/bbc-bias-a-progress-report/

"Presenter Martha Kearney (BBC) introduced a new series which she said would explain how the EU ‘actually works’. The first two were presented by Professor Anand Menon, who, Ms Kearney said, is Professor of European Politics at King’s College, London.

What she did not say is that her guest is not neutral about the EU. Far from it. He is also director of a think-tank called The UK in a Changing Europe which contains a raft of papers that, to put it mildly, are hugely critical of the Brexit case.

This doesnt surprise me

order-order.com/people/anand-menon/

Guidos comments are always worth a look at too
"Yet more pro-EU sockpuppets funded by Brussels"

What about ESRC themselves? They have just won the contract to lead the EU India Platform for the Social Sciences and Humanities – a 1.5-million euro project funded under European Commission’s 7th Framework Programme. They are literally paid by Brussels.

*And who is paying for the “UK in a Changing Europe” project?
Yes the ESRC of course.*

It is directed by none other than Professor Anand Menon. Who is a “visiting expert” at the European Commission, reporting directly to the President.

You just couldnt make it up!
But don't let that stop you reading those websites which feed your confirmation bias Durham

ukandeu.ac.uk/why-did-britain-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

Much better analysis than anything else I've read.

Jesus bloody wept
Now actually I find that language pretty unacceptable
I haven't said don't use the term. Just that it smacks of thuggery and violence and I'm surprised that people think it's acceptable.
It is being used metaphorically get it?
If all you wonderful, peace loving, rational dear old grans are perfectly happy with its use please feel free. I'm not stopping you
Then why make such a song and dance about a fairly everyday expression.
And less of the "old grans" if you don't mind!!

This is interesting, about the NHS and Brexit.

ukandeu.ac.uk/healthier-after-brexit/

'It’s impossible to get accurate figures on movement of patients around the EU. ‘Medical tourists’ have always come to the UK for specialist health care – our doctors are among the best in the world. Many are seeking fertility treatment, cosmetic and bariatric (or weight-loss) surgery. EU rules mean that some people from the EU have a right to access NHS treatment – and have it paid for by their home country. But as parts of the NHS now increasingly subsidise public functions by also serving private patients (under the Health and Social Care Act 2012), are these European patients putting the NHS in jeopardy?

Research from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and York University found that, on the contrary, the UK is a net exporter of patients. What’s more, figures from 18 hospitals showed that 25% of their private income came from medical tourists, but they were only 7% of patients. In other words, the NHS is making a disproportionate profit from medical tourism.

And while they are here, let’s remember that medical tourists spend as ordinary tourists: on accommodation, food, taxis and so on. This brings in about £219 million additional tourism spending a year, according to the LSHTM/York research. Would this stop if we left the EU? Probably not. Most of it is paid for privately. Even when it is covered by national health insurance systems, our hospitals would probably be able to contract with national insurance funds in other EU countries under WTO rules. But the EU rules smooth the way.'

It seems the NHS gains from medical tourism. Who'd have thought it.

Really durhamjen.

'That's very clever of you, POGS, only showing where Labour use the phrase.
How did you manage that?

I hope you noticed, Jalima, that there's not a single quote from the Guardian or the BBC.'
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You asked me a direct question it was not simply a case you 'made a comment' on my post!. That is the meaning of a question mark is it not?

You did comment on my post, by making a reference to the fact there was no mention of the BBC or The Guardian. I don't think the point you were 'trying' to make by mentioning this was lost on many posters.

Not sure your idea and mine of what 'challenge' means are the same. Hey ho.

I didn't challege your post, POGS, I just commented on it.

Objecting to it is just rather silly and detracts from the bigger picture.

That is merely your opinion, Jalima. And even if it were the opinion of every other person on this forum it wouldn't alter mine. Had it really been so 'silly' and detracting from the 'bigger picture' then Mair could have completely ignored my initial comment instead of jumping in with the 'Miss, she's being rude to me' card.

Anyway, my fault for misjudging the standards of other contributors to the forum.

'I've just come on and seen what you put up. I'm not concerned about the term as I have not read what has been going on today.'

Perhaps you should read 'read what has been going on' before you post immediately.

The only reason given the fact for you to challenge my post in that case was to create a response from myself was it not?

Here's the BBC
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4441450.stm

Now - would anyone like to hug Tony Blair or would they prefer to give him a good kicking? - metaphorically speaking of course!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/28/student-protests-tuition-fees-clegg
Or Clegg?

It's just a well-known phrase or saying
Objecting to it is just rather silly and detracts from the bigger picture.

You are quite prepared to put links up to bloggers which trade in vile comments, insults and as they say themselves irreverent comments so not sure why you would find using a term such as 'give a good kicking' much thought.

Because she said this.

Actually Jalima it is sad AND hilarious.
A small group of posters, used to having their own way have had a kicking timely reminder that other people may think differently, and they do not like it!

What are you on about was directed at POGS.

Jalima, when I said there was not a single comment from the Guardian and the BBC, I meant in POGS list.

djen you would know what I am 'on about' should you read all the pages, if you cba then don't comment on it.
Calling any comment you don't like rubbish, is pathetic.

especially from someone who blasphemes

I don't care one way or the other but this thread would be quite sad if it wasn't quite so hilarious!