The cost of Brexit for us; the ordinary people

What opposition?

What opposition?

Oops, you were on the next page Ana

@Mair

I'm a (perhaps middle class) Fabian socialist/liberal (not sure really what label I am) and I do not support mass unlimited immigration, so please don't make sweeping statements.

I agree with both of you, Ana and Anya. What opposition? Ah well! Nearly the end of the Old Year. We can recommence battle soon!

Labour will have to find a new Leader I think, daphnedill, before anything like a decent opposition can be put into operation in RL!

Unfortunately, unless the proposed leader has great appeal across the diverse party as it is today, then Jeremy is there for the duration.

I think Fabian socialists are quite moderate in comparison to what the Labour party is veering towards now.

So it's acceptable for May to have lied, is it?
No poor children because she's got rid of the child poverty unit. That's okay, is it?

Who says that she 'lied'?
Did she say she would eradicate poverty in six months? Did she say she would ever eradicate it? Has anybody/any government ever got rid of all poverty?

No!!!

Getting rid of the Child Poverty Unit is not forwarding her avowed agenda. Saying she's going to help 'ordinary people' and then pulling away their supports can only be viewed in a negative light. And her fixation about 'grammar schools' has been roundly condemned as ineffective by practically the whole of the education sector. It will do very little to promote social mobility.

She hasn't made even the tiniest move towards doing anything to help the struggling/just about managing section of the population.

She has reduced Corporation tax though but experience tells us that any benefits are likely to accrue to shareholders rather than workers.

They were just empty words. Strongly reminiscent of Maggie Thatcher's equally empty words on achieving the Premiership.

When put to the test, most if not all politicians are full of empty words. Would Jeremy C be any different? I doubt it very much!! Words are SO easy, actions SO difficult!

You malign politicians, nn.

Is Brexit just a symptom of something worse?

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Time to start keeping a diary.

'You malign politicians, nn.'

It's the use of the word 'you' made me smile nigglynellie.

Why, POGS'?

Lots of people malign politicians. They're just not all posting on this thread.

And If you think that's me included then at least I've given concrete examples of actions belying words; not just vague accusations.

I think nigglynellie is right though - they are full of promises but when it comes down to actions they are constrained by forces beyond their control.

Jeremy C may have his weaknesses, but a lack of principles is certainly not one of them.
May did not mean a word of it did she, about people who are struggling.
And if you listen again to her weasel words they were along the lines of "people struggling to pay their mortgages and find a good school for their children."
Millions of people will never even get a sniff at a mortgage and are stuck with whatever school the kids can walk to, because they are not in any danger of getting a car in the family either.

And Theresa May is supposed to have solved all this within six months of taking office, is she? Plus all the other things Remainers demand want because they're so cross at having their will thwarted...

Well, they are not necessarily stuck with whatever school the kids can walk to because we have seen that some children cannot get into their nearest school despite appealing. Many would probably like to get into their nearest school.

And those travelling further away will go on a school bus as my DGC will have to when they go to secondary school.

More school buses is what is needed, more flexibility with the distance that LAs calculate is necessary for transport to be provided. We don't need more parents driving their DC to school, clogging up the roads and parking indiscriminately.

May's mention of people's difficulty in finding a good school for their children should have been a hint about her plans for grammar schools. Twenty or so percent will get some kind of option, if she gets her way. She couldn't care two hoots about the rest.

What we need, Jalima, is a good local school for every child. We need to abolish the delusion of choice and trying to improve schools by 'competition'.

And Theresa May is supposed to have solved all this within six months of taking office, is she

No, but many of us didn't expect her to do things which directly belie her words within 6 months of taking office.

And yes, I agree, Jalima that politicians often find that their Big Ideas aren't always achievable; government is much more complex than people think.

Brexit is a car crash. My New Year's Resolution is not to get het up about anything I can't affect, which doesn't mean I'm going to shut about the biggest mistake the UK has made for decades. Happy New Year to all!

Brexit is a car crash. My New Year's Resolution is not to get het up about anything I can't affect, which doesn't mean I'm going to shut about the biggest mistake the UK has made for decades

Oh dear but all simply your opinion Daph not facts.
What annoys those of us who voted leave about you "Bremoaners" however is that you not only seem to be prepared for the worst but actively hoping for the worst.

In fact there is every reason to be optimistic about 2017. Hopefully Merkel will get the kicking she richly deserves, and across the EU elections could see anti globalist parties increasing in power. The nature of the EU could change completely and see a return to being a trade organisation rather than a superstate.

Were this to happen Britain would be happy to a member I believe.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to Britain and our people!