Brexit 5

Businesses are not going to like this.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/11/uk-firms-face-more-not-less-red-tape-if-britain-exits-customs-union

All those trees.

The EU is going ahead with a proposal to allow UK citizens 'associate EU membership' (whatever that mean in practice).

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html

"THE European Union should aim to keep as close a relationship with Britain as possible after Brexit, German Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel has said."

Express newspaper.

The Labour MP's were not taken in by anyone, and not a trusting bunch

I have seen this section of the bill before and have been very surprised as to why it has seemingly been ignored! The whole thing is odd the way it is panning out.

Yes, Welshwife, thanks.
Very interesting. How come MPs don't knowe that? Like you say, they must be frightened for their seats.
My MP isn't as she said she was standing down before the referendum. I might send her a copy and ask her views.

Hopefully you will be able to see this

Will have another go and see if I can copy etc the actual piece.

Your link is just to sign in to facebook, Welshwife. I'd rather not. Can you give us a different link?

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Must be the company he's been keeping.
There's an excellent article in today's i by Kim Sengupta saying that Farage undermines the right even as he seeks to promote it.
He sees himself as a key player in shaping the destiny of Europe, but as long as he carries on interfering, that's okay for the EU. Nigel might be the EU's secret weapon.

Carswell is beginning to sound as mad as a hatter.

So, this probably IS the best way forward.

Since it goes without saying really, that any MP's are not trusting, I think you are right ww and I don't think that they had much of a choice, given that they voted themselves to hold a referendum, and they know they have to honour the outcome.

Tant pis indeed dd you really do love to be patronising.....still, whatever floats your boat hey?

Actually thinking about the vote last night, not sure it is too worrying. It simply recognises the referendum majority to leave, which everyone accepts. Except of course if it was the other way around and the right wing would be screaming blue murder about tiny majorities etc.

Getting back to the vote, I think this really accepts the government timetable - which to my mind is daft - I agree with Ben Bradshaw argument on this, but that is ALL is accepts. The 48% will still be represent ed I trust when the debates about what we want the UK to look like after Brexit.

See London banks -lending houses in advanced stage of planning move to Paris.
Oh joy!

Errmm...yes well... could be that people don't understand arguments, but go along with the flow. Can't say that, obviously, because that would be patronisong. What a strange world we inhabit!

PS. I suspect you won't understand that, rosesarered. Tant pis!

I really doubt that MP's are a trusting bunch.Probably the best way forward.

Pleased about that. Such a shame that MPs are such a trusting bunch.

Why do the justices need to come to a decision now, as the MPs have had a vote on it?
Iain Duncan Smith says that MPs have given Theresa May a blank cheque, even though Starmer says there are conditions that have to be met.

I thought exactly the same.

Can't believe that Labour were taken in by May's amendment.
She can carry on with what she's doing and tell MPs the day before the end of March. What idiots, and those Tories who were opposing her as well.

Who on earth said Niall Ferguson is Britain's most influential historian? What a joke!! He most certainly isn't!!

Sorry, didn't realise there are two threads about him. I'm going out, but I'll come back.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the EU built around socialist principles that are losing out in Europe to right wing popularism?

I most devoutly hope that you are wrong.

Sometimes people don't like experts because they disagree with what they say, you pays yer money and takes you takes yer choice as my late FIL used to say.