Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

You marched against the Iraq War, yet voted for the man who took us into it illegally.
Is that not hypocritical?

nightowl, I do not care, I respect your right to voice your opinion, I do not respect your opinion

wills, Victorian pluming?

I'm certainly not holier than thou, very flawed in fact, but some things are non-negotiable in my book, that's all. Signing out now, things to do, people to see etc.

I think it's wise not to go down that route Annie, regarding personal attacks. I could detail the many that you have made against others including myself in recent weeks. I think 'wannabe hypocrite' (did Jen use those words? I missed it) is quite mild in comparison.

nightowl, where have I made excuses for Iraq?

For me harm done is harm done, be it thousands killed in war or a homeless person dying on the streets . So easy to rant on for ever and use Iraq as a weapon to attack me, I care about mankind, be it a nation or one human being. You carry on with your holier than thou attitude , I don't care because I am answerable to Christ not you

uk.businessinsider.com/is-the-bbc-biased-against-jeremy-corbyn-2016-9

Personal attack on a poster whi accused me of being a wannabe hypocrite ? Too funny

That's what I don't get Annie (your first paragraph)

The evils of war, to me, override any good that warmongers might do. I can't make excuses for them.

Nightowl, I marched against the Vietnam war, Iraq War in fact I have protested against all wars in my life time . This does not change my views on the good done by the Blair government , I voted labour then and am not going to pretend I didn't .

I voted Labour after a labour government made the people in my home village of Aberfan pay to hsve the tips removed because I am a Labour Party mrmber and a socialist

Oooh annie
On a lighter subject, there is an advert at the bottom of this page for a company called 'Victorian 'Plumbing'. Could the search engine have picked up on the word 'Corbyn'?

Your personal attacks on jen are in my opinion rude and uncalled for. I used to admire you as someone who, when under personal attack yourself (and let's be honest you faced a lot of rudeness and even ridicule from some people on this forum in the past) never stooped to that level. Well I'm sorry to say you have certainly made up for it since, and against people who do not deserve it.

An easy get out for Iraq Annie. In my opinion it was the final nail in the coffin of New Labour. But worse than that it was an evil deed carried out by unscrupulous governments, our own being one. And still they vote for air strikes in Syria. They have learnt nothing.

Jen, you hysteria has gone too far, no more to say to you, pure momentum attack from you. I critcise Corbyn, you make a personal attack , momentum works this way , physical or verbal attacks on anyone who doesn't reach an orgasm when Cobyn speaks

daphne, best ignore comments on iraq, it!s momentum members favourite weapon of attack. Bash in about Iraq and ignore the suffering of the vunerable of today.

Jen is proud she never voted for Blair , so I assume didn't vote for Brown or Milliband , so joined when Corbyn stood for the leadership , explains much

Nightowl, i dud answer your question, the lsbour party cannot reach across the country with Corbyn , you question - how will it reach across the country without him ,

Why does it have to be Blair vs Corbyn? Blair hasn't been PM for a decade. Why can't current Labour Party members accept that what Blair did wasn't all bad? Just think what a Conservative government would (or wouldn't) have done if it had been in power during the Blair years.

You still haven't answered my question Anniebach so I can only accept that you don't intend to.

As for Blair, whatever good things his government did, he took us into an illegal war that left thousands dead and maimed, lives ruined and the world changed. I am glad I didn't vote for that. No good policies can ever make up for the harm this country did in Iraq, and as someone who professes to be anti-war, I'm surprised you can overlook Iraq so easily Annie when proclaiming Blair's record.

theconversation.com/the-great-british-bake-off-sell-off-is-a-sign-of-the-tv-times-65346

Here's another of his far left diatribes.

'Des Freedman is Professor of Media and Communications in the Department of Media and Communications at Goldsmiths, University of London. He is the author of The Politics of Media Policy, co-author of Misunderstanding the Internet and co-editor of several books including The Assault on Universities and Media and Terrorism: Global Perspectives. He is chair of the Media Reform Coalition and a National Committee member of the Campaign for Press and Broadcasting Freedom. His new book, The Contradictions of Media Power, comes out in September 2014.'

Written by this man. Very far left, I'm sure.
You'd be better off reading the whole article before condemning the writer. Otherwise you just show yourself up for the prejudiced and hypocritical person that you seem to want to be.

To the Corbyn supporters. Do you think he will win an election in 2020? 2025?

Read the headline of the link, so was dispatches a lie? sorry more far left rubbish

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/des-freedman/media-attacks-on-corbyn-show-he-s-threat-not-irrelevance

Spot on Daphne, Corbyn will win by a large majority tomorrow and Corbynites will crow how popular he is, well not in marginal seats he isn't and we need even more than the marginals , we need UKIP, Lib and Tory voters, we will not get their vote as a far left party.

I think quite a few marginals could go to the Libs, they are now left of centre ehich is where has to be to win

What use is a leader who is the darling of the party members but not PM?

Blair didn't get everything right, but the minimum wage, tax credits, extra hospitals and schools etc were things I am pleased I voted for.

Corbyn has been a MP for much longer than Milliband, so if Milliband is the past Corbyn is prehistoric.

Blair won three elections because he reached out to voters across the country, Corbyn is still in a thirty year old bubble . Yes he talks the talk to win the votes of party members, to remain leader , no party has ever won an election on only party votes .

We can disagree every day on the same old, the voters will not vote for a far left party. and when labour loses the next election the Corbynites here with blame Blair Disregarding the fact he has not been a MP for twenty years.