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You didn't, Annie, you just said unlike the Tories.

The labour party will never win again if Corbyn splits from the others. As Corbyn will be chosen leader of the labour party, it's the others who will have to summon up the nerve to leave. But they won't as they will lose their jobs for certain.

Yes trisher, by I was referring to getting shot of a leader was I not? I referred to the Tories getting shot of leaders, this has not happened in the Labour Party , I did not say there had been no disagreements, the Gang of Four left the party, oh that Corbyn would do the same and take his momentum groupies with him,

You said "stood by" not "ousted" Anniebach but I won't bother to argue. The history of the Labour party is full of disputes which presumably you choose to ignore.

Not forgetting the gang of four who left and started their own party.

Never heard Corbyn squeal.
Annie, read what trisher said. She actually quoted you saying that the labour party has stood by every leader until now.
It hasn't.

trisher, where did I say all leaders policies were agreed with by all? I said the party had never ousted a leader

Democracy? Threatening MP's with deselection , Corbyns close friend Len McCluscy is on record as saying these MP's are asking for it

Anniebach do you really know your history? You say "the Labour Party has stood by every leader untill now". On the contrary, Ramsay Macdonald had significant difficulties over his policies, so did Hugh Gaitskill, then of course there was the Independent Labour Party which split, rejoined and split again. The history of the party is full of disagreement. Blaming it all on Corbyn is just ludicrous it has been going on for ages. Nothing wrong with that, discussion and compromise are the cornerstones of democracy.

Momentum has announced it is starting a junior movement so children can be involved

It is already being labelled Trots Tots.

I was mocked when I put the link to 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me' on a thread

Niggle, I have no idea what hope there is for the Labour Party now

I feel no sympathy for Corbyn , he has wanted a far left /Militant party all his adult life , McDonald wanted to stand for the leadership , he couldn't get support, he managed Diane Abbots campaign st the next contest, she was first out, then he managed Corbyns campaign and at the same time we had Momentum

Corbyn was at his best as a backbencher where he could be as unsupportive of his party's leaders as he liked without it really mattering. I feel sorry for him in a way. He's out of his depth even if he doesn't know it.

I feel sorrier for the Party though. Will it ever recover?

The former leaders of the party have spoken against Corbyn

Neil Kinnock. Left

Tony Blair. Centre

Gordon Brown. Left

Ed Milliband. Left of centre

Only one is an MP, they are our leaders from 1983 to 2015,

Why would these former leaders be so against Corbyn? Only one is in the house , they have nothing to lose

And they have all worked with him , he has never given a scrap of loyalty to these leaders yet squeals how he needs MP's to get behind him.

Who is the hypocrite ? There is no other reason for them to speak out , they care for the party and do not want it destroyed

ab sees the truth of the matter...... Unlike some!

Corbyn + momentum = the perfect storm.

I disagree trisher, the Labour Party has stood by every leader untill now, unlike the Tories. Read up on the history of the party you will see this is correct. The birth of momentum proves the fears of Corbyn as leader was justified . No other leader has had a need to start a movement to gain control, every leader has received loyalty , untill this man. Many have worked with him the whole time he has been an MP, do you think they turned from him because he had B O

Anniebach one person cannot completely destroy something, even the most difficult people can be worked with, The Labour party has the excellent example of Mo Mowlam who refused to give up on the N Ireland peace process. To destroy a party you need people who want in some way not to compromise for their own particular reasons. Someone is playing power politics with the party and you may believe it is Corbyn, but as I was always told it takes 2 to make an argument.

There you go again, another anti Corbyn rant.
I said I wouldn't ask you the same question if you didn't keep doing that.

Do you disagree with Corbyn's principles?

Why do you have so much hatred for a man who doesn't hate?

There was no plot against Corbyn, when he won the leadership many did not want to be part of a shadow cabinet led by a far left leader, the same man who fought a campaign to bring militants back into the party.

Some agreed to join his team and worked with him but he made it very difficult , then came the Brexit campaign , he refused to really fight and even went on holiday whilst it was running, the party was working hard but not the leader so it was then so many left the cabinet, so no plot , just gave up trying to work with someone who had let them and the party down.

Share a secret with you Jen, I am a member of the Labour party have been for fifty years abd stuck with the party thought the good and bad times - unlike you. But the party is important to me - I wish it was so with you

He is on Panorama tomorrow evening. He is very upset, he took over as labour leader after the dreadful 1983 election defeat , he battled against the militant /far left wing for such a long time , got them out of the party ,fought two elections and won back seats each time but it was the long haul , 1983 the conservatives won 397 seats, labour 209.

Kinnock had to rebuild the party, fight the militants and face up to thatcher, and the hatred of Mudoch ,now he sees the same thing happening again .

He was a good leader , he cared about the party

The last cabinet he chose lots of people who didn't support him. They went against him from the start. There were plots from last November.
This time he has suggested he chooses a third, the PLP choose a third and the members choose a third.
That sounds a perfect compromise to me. That sounds like working together to me.

So you don't like Corbyn and you don't like the party membership. Good to know.

Did anyone see Niel Kinnock on the news saying that he doubts if he will see another labour government in his lifetime. He must feel so sad.

Corbyn has repeatedly said he wants MP 's to get behind him. I move was put forward that the MP's selected the shadow cabinet , not the positions, this seemed a way of healing rifts in my opinion. Corbyn has his own ideas, he wants party members to have their say in selecting the shadow cabinet.

Scuppered any hope of working together which he keeps whinning about but moved quickly to prevent it

Pass

You stop making the same criticisms of Corbyn over and over, and I'll stop asking the same question over and over.
Got it?

By the way, you didn't answer it.

Do you agree with all of Corbyn's policies?

Please stop asking the same question over and over, I hive said countless times I believe him to be self serving , a liar, and a disgrace to the position he holds . Got it ?

I did not say it was balanced. I said 'for a bit of balance'.
I meant against your anti-Corbyn tirades.

So you agree with all of his policies?
So does Owen Smith.
So what's your problem.

You and Owen Smith and those who do not respect the mandate of the membership are causinbg the split.
Lots of new members have joined because they trust Corbyn. They think he is honest and decent, far more than some of the other MPs.

Fair enough Jen, but you claimed it was balanced - not true , and must you keep repeating the same question, my objection to Corbyn is I do not trust him, I sgree with Msrgsret Hodge who said - I thought Jeremy was a decent man, now I know he is a devious man. So no need to ask the question again.

No matter his policies if there is no power to put thrum into practice . You want him as leader of Labour, I want a Labour government , big difference