Peter Sutcliffe going to normal prison

Think there is a big difference between people who are fighting a cause with religious fervour ( however misplaced ) or fhave been radicalised for want of a better word as was the ethnic cleansing of the Nazis and a single person committing atrocities. Not too well put but you get my drift.

Rumour has it that we've got him. Helicopters about over Durham this week. Lucky old us.

Indeed. Considering how stretched prison services are at the moment anyway, I would be apprehensive if I were a prison officer. It seems nobody wins in this situation.

Sorry that came out a bit garbled but think the gist is there.

radicalnan Wow. We need better mental health care and more understanding. Evil is an unhelpful word when applied to people. They do evil things but if you investigate their backgrounds and understand their mental conditions, their actions could have often been prevented or the effects lessened.
Very often better child protection would prevent people growing up to behave in the way that they were themselves were treated or they would not have had head injuries (as it is known that West did) that, added to his abusive upbringing and probable underlying conditions let to the man he became.
That money is not throw down a drain. It pays for salaries which keeps people in work and some of which goes back in taxes. It pays for treatment which gives consultants experience. It goes towards the expenses of running the hospital (not everyone there is a criminal and not all criminals are extreme).
Hitler started by killing the mentally ill and disabled and was surprised that there was so little objection. It gave him the courage to go further.

They say that he will be ok if he takes his medication - but do prison officers have the time to make sure that happens. It seems to me that we have too many mentally ill people in prison as it is and that this is an unnecessary risk and burden for prison officers as well as being unfair to someone with a very serious incurable illness.

You believe in killing people who are ill and so costing the country money radicalan?

If, he is that ill, was it kind to keep him alive and medicated for so long..........He has cost 11 million pound I hear, money hardly well spent. He said he was on 'hunger strike' for years but is clearly still with us, a dangerous man indeed. Perhaps it is time to consider the value of a life that causes such evil in a different light. He will be fine in jail I am sure, top of the tree and too famous to come to much harm. He will be put with people similar to himself, and he can carry on his 'hunger strike' to his heart's content while everybody focuses on him.

He wouldn't have to fake symptoms if he was put onto antipsychotic drugs would he though? It would be assumed the symptoms were controlled by the drugs.

He would presumably still be on these drugs in ordinary prison then? Drugged and monitored.

Then he should not be moved to a prison, he is being punished for being mentally ill

He clearly suffers from a severe and enduring mental illness. He will have been treated with very heavy duty antipsychotic medication. It is not possible to fake symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia while under such medication and detailed scrutiny for so many years.
He is sufficiently under control to be discharged to ordinary jail but will still be monitored by medical staff there.
Sorry amateur clinicians among you but he was not faking this illness.

If he has a severe mental illness should there be rejoicing that he will suffer more in a prison

Are all ISIS rapist and killers suffering from mental illness or have they tapped into a part of the human pysche that is viscious and evil? What about those who slaughtered over 4000 Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica, or the Jewish mothers and children gassed in camps, Pol Pot, Assad?

Evil or mentally il?

I agree Anya, can anyone who commits such crimes be sane or are some people just evil ? A lot of money will be saved by moving Sutcliffe to an ordinary prison and his life will be much more restricted. Think it will be very difficult for staff working with him.

PS not PC

There is a great deal of evil in the world and there are also many people suffering from mental illness and whilst this is not necessarily the same thing sadly all of this causes a great deal of grief and misery to many people.
I have no knowledge of PC's condition or circumstances but just hope that he is made to keep taking whatever medication he needs and the public continues to be protected from him. He will assuredly not find prison to be a bed of roses.

I don't care where he is, but think only mentally ill people carry out these kinds of repetitive crimes.

Psychiatry is not an exact science. There is no 'test' for madness or mental illness, yet. And it is equally possible also for those with mental illnesses to convince professionals they are 'cured' and safe to be released......only to kill again.

It's happened before and it will again.

He is pure evil, put him where he belongs, in prison. He destroyed many lives, especially the victims families. It really does not bother me whether he gets a bad time from the prisoners or not.

I don't suppose Sutcliffe's medical records will be released to the public, so this is speculation.

I do not believed he faked such a serious illness for all those years and I believe murders are carried out by people with mental health disorders ,

There's also fairly compelling evidence that attributes other murders committed outside of Yorkshire to Sutcliffe. These murders remain unsolved and occurred at a time Sutcliffe was driving his lorry throughout the country.

I believe he faked his symptoms. His wife Sonia had mental health problems herself and he would have been well-placed to emulate some of her symptoms in the quest for a diminished responsibility verdict.

I doubt if the experienced clinicians at Broadmoor are daft enough to be fooled by someone faking the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Nobody is in Broadmoor for any longer than they have to be. How about giving all the psychiatrists, psychologists and psychiatric nurses some credit rather than what a car washing teenager said!!

We only live a few minutes away from Broadmoor so it's always nice to know there's one less serial killer around.

I used to work with a girl who washed Peter Sutcliffe's car for pocket money. She said he always seemed perfectly normal in those days.

I'm with you Anya, it is easy to fake mh symptoms if you have done your homework. The fact Sutcliffe has remained in special hospital all this time does suggest he's needed medicating - who knows.

As a younger woman, I did not believe that people who commit such crimes could be sane. I no longer believe that. Evil is such a powerful word. Whatever it is called, I believe a small number of people are capable of evil behaviour and that they choose to do so.

So far as your third statement - I query whether it's possible to successfully and in the long term maintain, treatment for people with personality disorders