Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Beam . They decided to no longer have G4, talks with another security company are not proving successful - yet . a conference would be both humiliating and embarrassing . I refused a ticket this year.

Leaders of the Labour Party who failed to become PM since 1947

Hugh Gaiskill died in office lost one election ,

Michael Foot. 1883

Neil Kinnock who lost three elections but got the Labour Party through the wilderness years and fought off the trots and .militants ,

Gordon Brown who lost the election , no overall majority

Ed Milliband 2015

What are the Security problems? Someone "gunning" for JC. Mind you, if I was him I'd employ a food taster.

Beam, I hsve heard Corbyn and McDonald will attended and make speeches at both the Labour Party conference and the Momentum fan club gathering. it still isn't known if the conference will take place because of the security problems . I do hope it will be cancelled .

Roses - I'm thinking ex leaders of party... some of whom never won an election.

I'm wondering how many on this thread are actually Tory voters

Beam, your post conjured up a real 'cartoon' image of the cuckoo in the nest. Inspirational. I have been off the GN for a few days and am just catching up with the latest.
AB, which conference do you think JC will favour, and to whom will he give his Leadership' speech? And they say we are dividing the party.
As for the 'talking' with the other side in a war situation, I agree with OS. At the end it comes down to 'jaw-jaw, not war-war.' I think the Great Winston came to that conclusion as well, but who is nit-picking?! Coming from NI as I do I was not keen to see certain groupings involved in the Peace process but it had to be done, and so far has been successful. The alternatives surely are to keep the skirmishes going, or introduce conscription for 'boots on the ground' or bomb the lot of them.
I guess, after last night's debate, I shouldn't really be surprised that JC's support group are all Brexiteers, but I was. The amount of applause he got for 'Brexit meaning Brexit' was phenomenal. I think OS's suggestion that we can go back to the country for confirmation once we know the exit terms is a sound one. The country can then confirm that it really does want to leave.

A fair post Beam, what is so distressing and worrying is the fact he will cause more hardship to the vunerable because he so wants to live his radical dream , he is so out of touch with reality .

Corbyn lives in cloud-cuckoo-land. And to further the analogy, he is squatting on labour's nest, nudging out his rivals. He s now living the radical dream of his parliamentary life, surrounded by devious militants and a gullible public, who want an opposition to Conservatism. I would add his personal vanity to this critique.

Yes, I heard that this morning, but he will never be PM ( thank God)

Not when Cirbyn becomes PM, he is unwilling for the UK to defend any country in NATO should war be declared on them . If Russia attacked France , for example,we would not help defend France

Unless he resigns, Corbyn will remain leader.How he can sit in the Chamber knowing that most of the Labour MP's have no confidence in him, is really amazing.So unless Labour does split, they will have to wait until they lose the next GE.Which they will.

So Jess M are 80% of Labour Mp's 'political has beens'? It isn't just 10 MP's who want rid of him.

Does anyone on this thread really believe that arms are only sold (by us) when we have a Tory Government? Your post djen suggests this, or was it a joke?

Keeping my head down pretty much, after a busy few months in politics. Like many Party members I was outraged at the "coup" and in particular it's timing. Unfortunately the "plotters" - some of whom are presumably political has-beens - have not been able to find a convincing candidate to oppose Corbyn. If Turnham or Cooper were willing to give it a go, it would have been a more equal fight.
I have to say though, that the people joining, or re-joining the party in this area do not seem to be a bunch of Marxists, red in tooth and claw. The majority are women, of all ages, who would like to see a fairer Britain because are really fed up with the Tories and what they are doing to this country.

Decided to,leave this thread , oh well

Corbyn is on the extreme far left , so far he campaigned to bring expelled Militants back into the party, I am to the left of centre and am against militants in the party .

Ron Liddel said on Newsnight , Momentum now controls the Labour Party and I agree , been obvious since Corbyn became leader

Obieone. But that would still leave JC ( who is left of centre) as leader. Not what the majority of labour voters want, imo. That's why Blair was in power for 3 terms.

Could Momentum be it's own party, thus leaving the Labour Party to carry on, minus the left-wingers?
The Labour Party would then be more "centre" in politics, which is what a lot of voters want I think?

The question was asked:-

'What does anyone think about Smith saying the government would have to get round the table with ISIS?'

Well Smith and Corbyn both agree don't they?

From what little 'recent' media coverage there has been I think I am correct in making the assumption Corbyn is not in agreement with Smith over his statement. I am surprised at this and beg to ask the question:-

What is the difference between Smith saying the government need to get round the table with ISIS (daesh) and Corbyn, who has made his position clear from the beginning of his 'original' Labour Leadership quest, stating there should 'back channels' to negotiate with ISIS?

January 2016

Dialogue was the "wrong word", he said, but he insisted discreet talks were already happening between the terror group and neighbouring nations.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-suggests-government-should-7193581

One mans ' sitting around a table' is no different to another man's ' opening of back channels' , the two thought processes are mutually inclusive in my opinion.

It was just reported in Newsnight, there will be two conferences in september , Labour Party Conference and Momentum conference .

That's it for me

Same for me Iam.

We have the biggest arms fairs in the world ib this country.
Lots of arms are sold to middle east countries. It needs to be stopped.
Tories do not say that - they say we need to sell arms, it's good for our balance of payments.
stopwar.org.uk/

yes durhamjen but I haven't seen anyone on here saying anything that contracts that.
The fact I agree with JC about that doesn't change my view that he isn't a leader who can win an election.

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Nothing will change whilst they are supplied with money and arms are sold to them

I was surprised to hear this morning secret talks were held with the IRA from 1972

It is difficult to even think of talks with Daesh but is bombing bringing peace