Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

We will integrate the NHS and social care for older and disabled people, funding dignity across the board and ensure parity for mental health services. That is definitely a Tory policy.

Its not what you promise to do it is the whether you actually do it.

As I said it is the same old same old. All the parties produce these wonderful statements about what they will do when in power all statements lack any detailed policy or financial nitty gritty that can be analysed to see if it holds together. And generally speaking few of the things they promise actually happen, either because the policies do not work or the people with the skills to implement them are not there, or they are more expensive than expected or they were just ill judged from day one.

It is the system that needs to be changed not the people in it.

Quote from David Wearing in yesterday's Guardian:

"Corbyn is the clear odds-on favourite to win, not because his leadership operation is a shining example of professionalism, but because – for now at least – he is the only available champion for the basic political principles shared by most party members."

- That says it all, really.

"Smith’s pitch, of Corbynite policies plus effective leadership, was a smart one in this context, but it is likely to fail for two reasons. First, no one seriously believes that Smith came into politics to overturn the neoliberal consensus. Second, it is clear that a Smith victory would return the party to the ownership of its previous managerial class. The shenanigans in the courts this week are a symbol of why, for most Labour members, a return to the status quo ante is now simply unthinkable."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/08/labour-party-mps-corbyn-conservatives-tories-post-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Barmy, sorry you left the party but can understand why you did. I will wait a while and see what happens next, much depends on what certain labour MP's do . I dread being party homeless but cannot support a party run by Momentum and McDonald, if good labour MP's are deselected then I will leave

In today's Guardian

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/09/jeremy-corbyn-supporters-voters-labour-leader-politics?CMP=share_btn_fb

So he went to a momentum meeting - all young women !

Isn't that a bit sexist Anniebach?

No Anniebach - SHE went - the writer is a woman. And if you look at the pictures you can see that supporters are of both sexes. Not just a teenage girl cult rthen, if that's what you're implying,

No trisher, I have spoken before about the number of young women who surround Corbyn, there is a Corbyn cult and young women seem to be drawn to it . A political meeting where those present are all young women is usual?

I've looked at all the photos I could find. I couldn't see any evidence of these young women. Most people seemed to be older and there were many men.

Cannot recall who but another poster made the same observation, he was entering a building, was on the news

So you think it's better for the Lords to be stuffed with Cameron's cronies, which means that Labour will have no chance in either house, just because it does not fit with your principles?
Corbyn wanted Chakrabati in the Lords because of her record on human rights, and because she is against the Lords, wanting an elected second house.

Monica, the tories do not want to integrate the NHS with social care at all. They want to privatise both.

The Tories did state integration of health and social care as an aim, so MOnica is correct. Integration could be either totally in the public domain or private.

But it wouldn't be the NHS if it was as the tories want.
Their new plan is to split it up into various parts.

Corbyn's plan is to get rid of privatisation, then have an integrated NHS and social care plan. Not the same. In fact, very different.

Jen,M please do not accuse me of saying things I have not said, you msy be very upset/annoyed by my opinion of Corbyn but please do not accuse me of supporting Cameron and his cronies , uncalled for.

As for my principles ? yes I have principles and will not go against them I am and have always been against enquiries carried out from within , it's wrong ,that's it , call it a principle if you will, would you support actions which you have always spoken out against ? I will not and cannot

He does remind me of Michael Foot and he didn't get far. I think a lot of young idealists, who have no memories of very far left politics think it is wonderful. What annoys me is that he comes from a very comfortable background, private education etc. I get tired of these people trying to tell the working class how they should live. They haven't a clue!

I did not accuse you of supporting Cameron and his cronies, Annie, but you must admit it's a bit OTT to criticise Corbyn for wanting to put one person in the Lords when Cameron just gave a list of 40, half of whom fund the Tory party.
One of the reasons Obama has not been able to get through what he wants is because both houses in the US have republican majorities.

This is very apposite.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/08/09/would-you-make-donald-trump-disappear

Would you make Corbyn disappear if you had the same chance, and if you could, who would you replace him with?
If you could get rid of Trump or Corbyn, which would you get rid of?

Jen, even asking the question was uncalled for and insulting

I have not criticised him fir appointing a woman to the lords, I am criticising him for appointing a Labour Party member who held an independent ! Enquiry , cleared him and then weeks later is in the lords . An independent enquiry cannot be held by a party member .

Trump is in American politics , Corbyn in uk politics .

Just a thought. What about David Milliband? What could he bring to the table?

D .milliband isn't an MP , he would have to be selected to stand, no chance with Momentum running the Corbyn circus

Mariee, Foot was a family friend and I was very fond of him, he was a good man. Doesn't alter the fact he led the Labour Party into the worse defeat since the early 20th century , this was followed by labour being in the wilderness years from 1983 to 2007. This is why so many MP's are against Corbyn being leader, he is taking the party down the same route

I am a member of the Labour Party but never in a million years would l vote for Jeremy Corbyn he lacks leadership qualities can't inspire or motivate in short lacks inner fizz pop and ginger,also l think he is both lazy and arrogant too. He and his cronies are gonna totally wreck the Labour Party for a very long long time....tragic !!
If he wins sadly am gonna cancel my membership ....period!!

@dj

The NHS is already split into various parts. The NHS is beginning to win back some of the contracts, because private providers are beginning to find that they can't make a profit. Ho ho! Most social care is already provided by private companies and has been for years, including the transfer of people with learning difficulties to local authorities, but there's no reason why it couldn't be better integrated.

Better integration was definitely a Tory promise, as was more funding for mental health. The problem is that there's no funding for either. Local authorities have been told that they can raise council tax to fund social care, so the responsibility/blame has been shifted to councils.

Whew! cannot believe most of these posts--would be funny if it weren't so serious. I am politically literate both academically and in a practical sense. I have been waiting thirty years for this having met Jeremy all those years ago. What you see you get.
I and most of my friends both young and old want fundamental change in our society. Don't you know we have people sleeping on the streets, food banks, that our children and grandchildren have huge debts hanging round their necks. We are walking blindfolded into another world war. Do you get out much? Where do you get your information? Why do you read the Guardian--readers are leaving in droves. I am so angry. I am angry mostly at myself as I hadn't realised that so many women of my generation can spout such --- oh I must go and have a cup of tea--not worth posting on this thread.

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I read this recently
"The NHS has always involved a mixture of public and private provision. For example, most GPs are not public employees but rather independent contractors to the NHS. This was part of the settlement struck with GPs when the NHS was established in 1948. Dentistry is another profession that has remained largely outside the NHS while receiving NHS funding."
I believe the same applies to Podiatry, much health screening, GP out of hours services, some non-urgent surgery (cataracts etc) and other procedures.
Is it better, is it worse?
I don't know, but we shouldn't get "sentimental" about te NHS as it "was," some bits "never were" like that.