Perhaps for obione's sanity, as she is on 13 threads and getting confused, it would be best to ignore her for a while. For her sake, of course (yes, a very well know Neanderthal tactic, as said before, but maybe for the best).
Signing off now- basta cosi.
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As the hysterical left weep into their lattes...
(508 Posts)Well said, Libby Purves and Peter Tatchell! Tatchell is quoted as saying "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes". Of those anguished 'hysterical lefties': "many of them mean well [ouch!] yet elitism erupted like a poisoned boil". Superb!
Elitism. The other thing the hysterical left whine about when they're not too busy calling anyone who doesn't agree with them a bigot. Yes. Quite. In spite of my high level of education, and my husband's, we both "get it" in a way that many with similar backgrounds don't seem to. Perhaps we still feel a connect to those of our families who were at the runt end of society only two generations ago. Perhaps we understand better the effect of "arrogant, incompetent Brussels institutions, and the decades when governments neglected inequality".
Purves does not skim over actual racism at all, but she says quite rightly that the vast majority of people are not racists or xenophobes. She's right.
Thank you, Libby Purves.
Welshwife, and daphnedill when I said British Industry, I was including new businesses in that.
Welshwife, you quote Tata which is Indian is it not?
Alea, I deliberately shop in areas of high unemployment.
dramatictessa, I can't find your post, but yes I did mean what I said. I always do.
Elegran, yes I could relocate to Scotland, but I'll wait and see developments on that one. I fancy Edinburgh! Dublin is going to be easier as I can fly in, teach my part of the course and return home. Things are looking better, but sadly the English Uni will lose the courses.
Yes, it may seem selfish to be concerned about myself when so many people are going to struggle, but we have to be practical on a personal level too and devise ways of minimising the effects. Thanks for asking. x
I dont have time to read all threads and posts currently - I am on 13 threads just to do with the referendum!
I am losing track.
I know there are posts on here and various other ones asking questions directly to me.
I will try and get to them when I can, if anyone is still interested after life has moved on
Leave blame UKIP and they blame leave for any misunderstandings (new word for lies).
I think it was Newsnight, when Hannan said that the NHS pledge and cutting immigration was all a misunderstanding.
Sorry, Joelsnan, not watching that. Not just any old MEP, it's Daniel Hannan.
Can't remember which BBC reporter was shouting at him over the weekend for backtracking already.
Alea John Lewis also pay full UK tax and have argued for all corporations to do so.
I think shopping is the most political thing that people can do and yet people will still shop at stores that use workfare or have unethical practices at virtually every stage of their business like Tesco.
We could achieve a lot more by taking on the corporations and buying ethically than we ever will by voting.
Elegran I am working so dont have the time to pop on gransnet as much as i would like.
I agree with what you say about what we want for our children and grandchildren, but surely we can all agree that irrespective of how we voted, nobody on here wants to witness the rising tide of racial hatred that is being reported? The economy is already showing signs of trouble. and although many people on GN and in the media are saying that we need to accept the result and get over it, well I just cant get over it, I am angered and saddened and frightened. And for what it is worth ( so that I dont get dismissed by some as a latte drinking leftie) I am angry at Corbyn's lack of concern for the very people he is supposed to represent, the people who will think they have given the establishment/government/tories/bankers/posh latte drinking lefties etc... a kick in the teeth when the reality is we now face an even more right wing government. Corbyn should have been talking about this distinct possibility that has now become a likelihood.
Love you that bags, my sentiments exactly! 
An enlightening watch
An MEPs view of the EU
youtu.be/tzNj-hH8LkY
Nice juxtaposition, nanakate
Morghew70 put a * either side of the words you wish to appear in bold.
nanakate and Elegran- I agree- just pathetic jibes...
It is more important now to listen to the remain supporters asBrexit make their decisions they have 50% of the country they have to convince.
Tatchell: "The left must listen to Brexit supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as racists and xenophobes".
Nanakate: "The right must listen to Remain supporters and their concerns. Very wrong to dismiss them all as hysterical lefties and latte drinkers."
Sometimes platitudes are truisms - things have become cliches but are still true.
Ginny42 Can you relocate to Scotland?
GillT57 (not sure how to make this appear in bold) - platitudes may not pay the bills, but nor will arguing. I'm so surprised at how bitter people are when we don't know what is going to happen, we can only speculate.
Strange, I was just thinking that we had not heard from GillT57 or gillybob and decided that it was because they were too busy on damage limitation within their own businesses.
Skullduggery may have put it a bit harshly but I think she is basically right.
It isn't hysteria. The economy has been hit, people will lose their jobs, property prices will almost certainly fall and prices will rise...but that's only part of it. What happens later, when the dust settles and (hopefully) the pound creeps back up against the dollar? Osborne is already saying that public finances will be affected - more austerity measures? EU and British legislation will have to be separated - do we believe that the EU laws protecting worker's rights will remain? And then there are all the opportunities the UK will never get and never even know we might have had - all the companies who will no longer want to invest here or create jobs here, as we are no longer part of a powerful international union.
It's not our generation that will suffer the most, though it will hit us too. It's the young ones, and they know it. That's why most of them voted for Remain.
As for racism...Has anyone looked at the headlines screamed by the Daily Mail, etc? Blatant attempts to whip up fear and hatred and many - not just working class people! - fell for it. And I speak as someone who is still at the "runt end" of society. We're not all posh here, you know!
'we did it after the war, lets all pull together' crap. Do you really think this is what we want? Is this what you want for your children and grandchildren?"
No! I want my children and grandchildren to live in a peaceful united country, to live in pleasant places with friendly people of all colours, religions and nationalities, to have guaranteed employment in jobs they love, surrounded by excellent colleagues and managed by wise employers, the children absorbing a love of knowledge and tolerance beside others from diverse backgrounds, with the best minds and hearts to guide them. Don't we all?
But we don't get any of those by squabbling with each other on here about how we voted, or why. We get it by people like you, GillT57, saying to your employee that we are not all the same as those ignorant bigots - and acting to prove it.
I am so tired of the word BREXIT, now its done and will take at least two years to materialise, we have to accept it, and all pull together to make Britain stay GREAT.
This is not a discussion, it is a tirade of hate, by a few, at those that they disagree with. What is wrong with you all, giving an opinion doesn't mean that you are fair game for such spiteful, nasty comments. I suppose that I will now be harangued!
(I voted Remain btw)
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