Agreeing with Trump!!

SIL shared a pro gun control post on Facebook.He was berated by one of his relatives who accused him of being a Socialist (shock, horror!) and told him to come back to America and free himself from the constraints of the UK!!!

There is an argument that abolishing that second amendment about the right to carry arms in the US wouldn't make a real difference anyway because there are more guns in private hands in the US than there are people. Crazy world.

The article I got the initial info from mentions at least one restriction on guns available to buy: it's no. longer possible to buy a machine gun. The writer suggests that assault rifles should be added to the list of not allowed.

My personal view is that the gun culture of the US can and will only be changed piecemeal over a very long time. The machine gun ban is a start. Removing assault rifles would be another step. There simply is no easy solution to such a complex problem.

Sorry WilmasKnickersfit I wasn't ignoring you! It was on Channel 4 news, actually. A report by Krishnan G-M (I have no idea how to spell his name ).

Actually, it doesn't matter. The media is full of examples of reporters over the last few days going into gun shops and buying guns, including the gun the Orlando killer used. Thank you for pointing this out to me.

Badenkate what was the name of the programme please? I can't tell what programme it would have been on.

Badenkate I stand corrected then and will watch that programme. I understood there was a delay until a permit was approved.

Last night Channel 4 managed to buy a gun exactly like the one that was used and walk out of the shop with it WilmaKnickersfit

If you ban people on the watch list from buying a gun, surely that will devalue the intelligence gathered about those people?

Wouldn't buying a gun through legal channels raise flags about those on the watch list, enabling resources to be more accurately focussed?

I thought I read the Orlando killer was not a radicalised Islamist, in fact not a particularly devout Muslim.

And BTW, you can't walk into a shop, buy a gun and walk out with it. Not even in the US.

I'm not a supporter of gun ownership in any way shape or form, but I think it's important to realise the US does have some gun control legislation.

There is an interesting analysis of the Orlando gunman here:
usuncut.com/politics/powerful-explanation-orlando-shooting/

Yes but to walk into a shop and buy an assault rifle! On a terrorist watch list. Under the counter or a stolen one I could understand. But then I've just driven past Dunblane.

Maybe the Senate and Congress could control the laws but he will incite sections of the population to horrendous acts. There are groups who will attack Muslims and other minorities and they in turn will have groups who will retaliate.

I agree sunseeker the President can't do exactly as he likes.

I suppose it is about innocent until being proved guilty?

Also if a terrorist wanted guns, he is going to get them somehow?

An American friend tells me that IF he becomes President almost all of his more extreme views will be tempered by Congress and the Senate. Even if there is a majority of Republicans most would not vote for many of his policies. I claim no knowledge of American politics just repeating what she told me when I expressed concern that he might be elected.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, of course.Trump is no fool ( he wouldn't be where he was otherwise) but he does come out with some humdingers, so surprising to find him saying normal things.

You must not however forget that even someone like Hitler sounded "normal" at times.

What you must always remember and understand the underlying ideology ( although I doubt he has one ) and agenda.

They seem to be sensible things ( he is saying) for a change, things that any normal person would say in fact.

Please put aside your usual detestation of the person and look at the actual words that he said and their meaning.