A thread for those who are voting OUT of the EU to make it fair

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you want Jeremy Corbin to do? You have all the information that is available. Why does anything anyone says make a difference? It would be nice to think this decision will be made on a logical basis, not an emotional one. This decision is not going to affect our generation, but our children's and our grandchildren's.

you just have the feeling that if JC were still on the backbenches he would be singing from a different hymn sheet! His conversation lacks conviction that's all.

And maybe the shocking right-wing policies of this government have made him appreciate the protection the EU gives us. I think many of us never believed that the UK would become so vehemently against the rights of ordinary working people.
Incidentally my Labour MP informs me that 100000 jobs in the NE are linked to EU trade, half the region's exports go to Europe and the next 5 years will see almost £800m EU investment in the area. Given the government's pathetic record on supporting the North- couldn't even keep a Northern Powerhouse up here- I prefer to place my faith in the EU.

I had no idea the figures were so largetrusher - but have always thought that part of the country would suffer disproportionately if we left the EU. This time though it could also affect the SE if the financial service industries and banks take a hit by moving to mainland Europe.

I don't understand why what Corbyn says (whether genuine or not) would affect/influence anybody except people who hang on his every word as devoted Corbyn followers. I'm certainly not very bothered what he (or many of the politicians) have to say about the EU. It seems most of them are jostling for position to enhance/save their own careers and couldn't care very much about the country. I made up my mind based on facts available from many sources outside Parliament.

Nissan alone employs 6700 in its Sunderland factory with at least another 13,000 employed in the supply chain. Much of the money those people earn is spent locally in shops, pubs, restaurants and other businesses, thus providing work for many more.

Logistics would become much more complicated if the UK were to leave the EU, because Nissan is currently able to switch production and supply its customers without having to bother too much about paperwork and export/import tariffs. Nissan is one of the North East's (and UK's) biggest exporters. There's a very real possibility that it would relocate, if the UK leaves the EU. The North East is beginning to establish a worldwide reputation for engineering (eg Hitachi's new train-making plant), so it would be tragic if this is knocked off course.

Nissan is also is the most productive car plant in Europe, producing more 'cars per worker' than any other factory.

But we have always known that the EU market was a major reason for it choosing to locate here. If that goes it may well decide to relocate. It would be disastrous for the area.

Sorry but aren't you all on the wrong thread! I don't mind anyone posting but I thought this thread was for out supporters but you all seem to be saying stay in. Sorry I could be wrong but that's how it seems.

You are discussing employment which is a very serious issue for many. My DS have both been made redundant in the past (whilst we have been in the EU and it is not something I take lightly. But there is also the issue of schools, hospital places care home places etc. When I walk down the road from where I live I hardly ever hear an English voice. Large groups of people walk past talking in languages I don't understand. You can say what you like but I am not racist. I have no problem with refugees or anyone from other countries just the sheer volume of people trying to find homes, schools, jobs etc.

I intend no offence to anyone. I am just an ordinary granny worried about my DGC and their prospects for schools, housing and jobs if more people arrive in this country. I have no problem with anyone in Europe just don't like the current setup.

Expansionist imperialists like the EU perhaps, crafting?

Crafting, like your DS, my children have been made redundant in the past as have I. My concern is that companies like Nissan continue to invest in Britain and provide jobs that people want. If we come out I believe that those companies will re-locate into Europe.

Regarding the reason for this thread. Threads nearly always morph over time when people answer or react to posts.

There is nothing to stop the government building new schools and hospitals with the tax raised from immigrant workers. There is no limit to the jobs which could be created and immigrant workers do often create them.

Did you want to talk to the people speaking other languages? If not, what's the problem? I have similar issues when I go to the North East - I can't understand a word anyone says.

Why would a Japanese company move away from UK as a result of UK leaving EU?

Because they only moved to UK as it was in the EU and no barriers for them to sell to EU. At that time there were little Japanese cars sold in Europe but they had started to take off in UK. Also the NE had the skills they needed. They were quite open about their reasons at the time - they have also made it quite clear that they are looking at moving to mainland Europe if UK leaves and they have difficulty exporting or need to pay tariffs, John Major said this morning that about 10% on most things would probably be the level but that would make many UK products just to expensive.

Because they moved here in the first place because we were inside the EU.
If we leave the many advantages of being inside the single market will disappear. So they might well be tempted to relocate their manufacturing to somewhere inside the EU.
The headline reason is that once we were outside the EU their cars could suddenly be slapped with an import tax on the continent and therefore make them harder to sell. The essence of a single market is the lack of import taxes between countries.
Other reasons include harmonisation of rules and regulations which make it easier to do business across borders and to have a less complicated manufacturing process than you would if rules and regs were variable.

crossed and almost identical posts in response to you bags.

Why would I say I was being bullied gracesgran? In the 5 years I have been on this forum I have never, ever claimed to be bullied. This is where we say what we think, if someone does not agree that is fine.

Someone I know was responsible for finding out the best places in Europe for building new Ford factories.
Most of them are in mainland Europe now, because Europe offered better deals for setting up new factories. What's happened to Ford in the UK?
What do you think will happen to Nissan if the UK leaves the EU?
Thinking you will not be told what to do by foreigners will not matter to Nissan.

trisher I didn't know I should have asked you if I could put on here I could only get sheets made in China.
I don't look through you post then tell you what you shouldn't write . But tit for tat and all that, you wrote
Incidentally my Labour MP informs me that 100000 jobs in the NE are linked to EU trade, half the region's exports go to Europe and the next 5 years will see almost £800m EU investment in the area. Given the government's pathetic record on supporting the North- couldn't even keep a Northern Powerhouse up here- I prefer to place my faith in the EU.
so will answer on next post

BRITAIN is facing a £2billion bill from the EU which has been kept hidden until after the referendum, it has been revealed.
The details of new bill for Britain have emerged with revelations that eurocrats have deliberately held back a review of the current EU Budget until after Britain's referendum on 23 June.
A report for the European Parliament has noted that there is already a backlog of almost £20 billion in unpaid bills which member states will have to pick up.
This means an extra £2 billion from the UK and there are fears that Britain will also be hauled into bailing out countries in the eurozone with both Greece and Italy understood to be on the brink of crisis.
They point out how Mr Cameron had vowed not to pay an extra £1.7 billion demanded by Brussels in 2014 and then ended up paying the bill in full minus the British rebate.
Also they argued that britain will be forced to contribute to the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism to pay bridging finance to Greece which was set up in 2015, despite promises it would be excluded.
"Not only do we hand over more than £350 million a week to the EU, but if we vote to stay the British people will be on the hook for even more cash.
"It is a triple whammy of woe: the eurozone is being strangled by stagnation, unemployment and a lack of growth, it could explode at any time and we will be forced to bail it out.
"The botched bureaucratic response to the migration crisis means the Eurocrats are demanding even more of our money. And now we find that there is a £20 billion black hole in the EU's finances."
He added: "If we vote to stay in the EU we will be forced to hand over even more money to Brussels. If we Vote Leave we can avoid this extra £2 billion bill from Brussels, take back control of our money and spend it on our priorities like the NHS."
so north or south we wont have any money only what we borrow to pay the eu

Nice copy and paste from the 'Daily Express', practical.

Any chance of finding a more accurate, non biased source?

Where has all this come from and who are the people saying all this?
Why are you persisting with the false figure of 350 million?

It's come from Vote Leave via the 'Daily Express'. There's no mention of it anywhere else.

There are no sources for the alleged 'fears' - they are completely unsubstantiated. Talk about Project Fear! :-(

The UK doesn't spend £350 million a week on the EU and it's extremely unlikely that the NHS will receive any extra if the UK leaves the EU. It's far more likely that even more of it will be outsourced to American providers.

This is pure Vote Leave propaganda!

Thanks for the prompt answer, welshwife & jessm.

If a Japanese company came to the UK to produce cars to sell to the whole of Europe- and GN decides to come out- then it would makes sense to relocate elsewhere in Europe- as the market there is much bigger. Perhaps?