How will you vote in the EU referendum? (Thread 2)

Not shouted down, but debated with. I will defend my arguments vigorously, until I am shown by my opponent evidence that convinces me that I am wrong.

That is why I am asking for an idea of what the UK will potentially look like if we leave the EU.

I don't have an idea of what the UK will look like if we leave the EU, much the same, I suppose. But I do have a very good idea what mainland Europe will look like in years to come.
Anyway it's irrelevant because, by hell or high water the powers that be will go to any lengths to make sure that we stay in.

Thanks nn. I'm the same as you in that I don't know enough about it which is why I read other peoples 'opinions' and reasons to help make my decision.

People can shout me down as much as they like. I'm not the most political person and read as much as I can - for and against. There are so many strong voices with reasons for and against; the amount of forceful opinions whether in or out can be quite confusing. I tend to focus more on the constructive posts (for and against) rather than the forceful and aggressive ones.

Apparently there is a way to leave the E.U. An economically neutral way which will not upset business or lose jobs. ‘Flexcit’ - which is supposed to dispel the lies and uncertainty produced by those who are trying to confuse as nobody knows with regard to honest figures and accounting.

Now before I get 'shouted down', I haven't read it yet but will do in hope it gives me a better understanding but from what I have read so far, not just in the forums, my vote will be to come out.

Admittedly when I completed the survey on here I felt there was no question in my mind that I wanted to vote out of the EU. Then someone 'kindly' pointed me in the direction of the forums where there seems to be some very nice people with valid points and info - for and against.

What the EU has to do with ex servicemen being supported or not, as you seem to think it is reasoned argument?

I don't think the above question is a reasonable one to the person whom it was directed. I think the poster was speaking in general; giving more welcoming advice rather than actually agreeing with what I wrote, some of which were more personal thoughts rather than to do with the EU. My mistake!

Blimey chriss for someone who knows nothing you are doing very well. I shall look at the flexit site.

You haven't answered it either, chrissy.
What has the EU to do with ex-servicemen being supported or not?

It wasn't general at all. You said you wanted to vote out because ex-servicemen are not supported.

Fortunately, you only have one vote, the same as me.

Good luck, whitewave.
Flexcit is a 421 page pdf.
I await your comments next weekend.

Well maybe if my final decision is out it might cancel your in vote out?

I haven't answered your questions because I have actually given up on actually reading particular posts fully. Like choosing to answer questions I also choose which posters comments I read with interest but I did say they were more personal thoughts 'rather than to do with the EU' which was my mistake!

WW has actually raised valid points in a constructive way rather than forcing opinion as have other people on this forum, that's how I feel anyway and also questioned what I'm trying to get across which I am wondering about myself. And therefore debate rather than throwing accusations and weight around to sway people into your way of thinking. Something which I hope I never do.

Blimey 421 page pdf? Perish the thought. If it gives me actual answers as to what is the more favourable option rather than personal opinion then I am more than happy to read as much of this as I can until it comes to the actual vote.

" Prominent Eurosceptic Richard North announced on his website that the Leave.EU campaign had adopted his Flexcit model as its formal plan for the UK's exit from the 28-nation bloc, after he agreed to work with the group as a consultant during the upcoming referendum campaign.

The announcement was seized upon by pro-EU campaigners from Britain Stronger in Europe, who claimed that the model - which they branded "Still Pay, No Say" - would leave the UK in a similar position to Norway, which follows many Brussels rules and regulations but has no part in deciding them. "

Where did you get the idea that Flexcit is economically neutral? It is written by a prominent eurosceptic.

You haven't answered my question about ex servicemen because you can't. You were wrong.
It wasn't just my question, by the way. A few others asked you the same and you haven't answered them either.

Well if it similar to the Norwegian model which doesn't surprise me than there is nothing new. We need a potted version.

Stop bullying dj, people don't have to answer you if the don't want to. Remember the Muslim ladies? I asked for your opinion about that and you chose not to reply. Your choice of course as is Chrissye's in this case!

As mentioned above I haven't read it yet so might or might not answer your questions after I've read the 421 pages. It wasn't my idea that Flexcit is economically neutral, that's what I read and so will read information provided should I choose to.
And hey, if I'm wrong about anything then I'm wrong. Others haven't accused me or highlighted posts of mine from a different thread! Personal or what? Move on because I have.

djen have you ever read your own posts ( read the ones on this page for starters)? Demanding answers right left and centre in an aggressive way.No wonder people lurk rather than post.

Nothing bullying about asking a question.

Chrissy, whenever someone gives me a link to something, I always want to know who has written it and from what angle.
Like I said, Richard North is a well-known Eurosceptic.

eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85979

In fact he was one of those who started the Brexit campaign.

Just thought you ought to know.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfEo_TNllk4

A half hour presentation of his thoughts on leaving the EU.

I presume I have been reported to HQ for bullying?

I like you Chrissye07. A breath of fresh air.

You are indeed, and well informed too, with a different way of approaching things.

I think we all like Chrissy it's given the gang of 4 somebody else to play with. But they won't find it easy going. Go Chrissy

Well, you said it Petra!!!!

ww, re your comment at 20:55, yes, I have seen a scenario of what an out vote would result in. I'll see if I can dig it up when I've finished my stew with double cream on top (you know how people eat yogurt with curry, well, I thought I'd see what thick cream was like with stew cos I have some to use up. Nice surprise!).

Actually, it might have been the Pete North one.

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