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Would you support the doctors' strike.

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whitewave Fri 06-Nov-15 10:21:45

Doctors have been told that Hunt is only prepared to negotiate on 1 out of 23 points of the new contract. The new rota system only allows for "home time" as being after 10pm and Sunday's.

Junior doctors will have to work more hours than they do now and are exhausted how so how safe will we be?

I support them

Alea Tue 26-Apr-16 07:20:42

www.facebook.com/labourhealthteam/

I think this is it. I am NOT approaching this in any politically partisan way, but this government seems hell bent on confrontation at all costs and while they may be smugly patting themselves on the back for "winning the battle", it will at best be a Pyrrhic victory.

Alea Tue 26-Apr-16 07:15:18

What a difference a day makes.
Yesterday afternoon I came home to find DH in bed shivering uncontrollably and with a soaring temperature. I rang 111 and they sent round a paramedic team to assess him who then took him to A&E. He has a serious infection and septicaemia needing IV antibiotics which they started by bolus there and then. Last thing last night DH was still in the Observation Unit in A&E.
Despite a lovely reassuring doctor who said that he wanted to admit him before this week's strike as they would be " looking after their own" I now feel a visceral reaction to today's strike. Up to now my reaction has been intellectual, but with DD's first baby due in a week and DH in hospital, it is too close to home to contemplate with any detachment.
If you haven't seen the clip of Heidi Alexander in the Commons, do find it and watch it. I found it chilling.

durhamjen Sun 24-Apr-16 20:16:02

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/24/mps-call-for-pilot-of-junior-doctors-contract-to-avoid-strike-action

Jeremy Hunt ignoring a cross-party agreement asking him to pilot his idea.
Again it shows it's not to do with the NHS, just to do with his own prejuduce.
Question Time audience said he should resign.

durhamjen Sun 24-Apr-16 18:48:25

Can you imagine any NHS hospital being willing to admit him?

On a trolley in A&E over the strike next week?

daphnedill Sun 24-Apr-16 11:26:52

annoaka,

Admit him to an NHS hospital and leave him in a cupboard for a few days!

Solazure Sun 24-Apr-16 09:32:34

Actually junior doctors do work hard. Often doing way above their hours without pay. They can also do another shift following on if there are not enough doctors to cover wards. With the stress of caring for extremely unwell.patients. how do I know. I worked in the nhs!

durhamjen Thu 21-Apr-16 18:33:50

One of the doctors who was outside the DoH headquarters had a meeting with Hunt yesterday.
He asked Hunt what if he could have anything in exchange for imposition, what would it be?
Hunt replied, "Nothing."
Yet he would have us believe it is the BMA that is being obstructive.

murrayhealth.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/meeting-jeremy-hunt/

annoaka Tue 19-Apr-16 01:08:01

How we to get rid of Jeremy Hunt?

durhamjen Sun 17-Apr-16 20:51:03

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/17/pressure-mounts-on-jeremy-hunt-over-handling-of-junior-doctors-dispute

Another u-turn?

durhamjen Mon 04-Apr-16 12:57:41

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/doctors-serve-legal-action-against-hunt-as-they-plan-fourth-48hour-walkout-a3217401.html

thatbags Mon 04-Apr-16 12:40:20

So her voting is based on what she believes is right. One doesn't have to agree with her views to give her credit for that, just as you expect, say, Corbyn, to be given credit for basing his votes on what he believes is right. That's all I meant.

durhamjen Mon 04-Apr-16 11:20:20

I'll give her credit when she doesn't vote with the government in the next few weeks on everything to do with the NHS.
It's only the junior doctors row and the seven day working week with no extra resources that she is worried about. She still supports the top-down reorganisation of the NHS and the new Health and Social Care Act brought in by Lansley.

gangy5 Mon 04-Apr-16 10:57:17

A friend of mine was in hospital over the Easter weekend - she didn't see 1 medic in 4 days??!!

thatbags Mon 04-Apr-16 08:16:45

Give credit where it's due. Maybe she understands it all better now (I still don't). In any case, if she has changed her mind about supporting the government tack then it's good of her to be up front about it.

We complain about politicians when they don't do what's right. Seems we complain about them when they try to do the right thing (as they see it) too. Politicians are human too.

durhamjen Mon 04-Apr-16 00:03:10

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/03/jeremy-hunt-tactics-junior-doctors-dispute-sarah-wollaston

Very kind of her, considering that at every vote on health in parliament she has voted with the government.

durhamjen Sat 02-Apr-16 14:54:17

I read that yesterday from another source.
I think what they are saying is that because the new contract has more core hours, and therefore a pay cut for people who work those hours that change from overtime to core pay, it will affect more women than men because they tend to work those hours more than men.
However, they are also saying it would benefit women because it will be easier for them to get childcare without paying for it as their partners or others will be at home to look after their children. Not quite sure how that bit works, as they are particularly talking about single mothers there.

thatbags Sat 02-Apr-16 14:17:10

I don't think I understand this tweet. Anyone? You'll need to click on the photo to read it.

durhamjen Wed 23-Mar-16 15:40:07

There is going to be a 48 hour all out strike at the end of April because of this.

"Dr Johann Malawana, BMA junior doctor committee chair, said: “No junior doctor wants to take this action but the government has left us with no choice. In refusing to lift imposition and listen to junior doctors’ outstanding concerns, the government will bear direct responsibility for the first full walkout of doctors in this country.

“The government is refusing to get back around the table and is ploughing ahead with plans to impose a contract junior doctors have no confidence in and have roundly rejected.

“We want to end this dispute through talks but the government is making this impossible, it is flatly refusing to engage with junior doctors, has done nothing to halt industrial action and is wilfully ignoring the mounting chorus of concerns over its plans to impose coming from doctors, patients and senior NHS managers. Faced with this reality what else can junior doctors do?” "

This is completely at odds to the government response to the petition on their website about Hunt.
So who is telling the truth?
Either it is going to be imposed or it isn't.
I know who I would believe.

durhamjen Sun 20-Mar-16 12:56:02

michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/jeremy-hunt-says-collected-vol-3.html

There are others on his blog about the NHS and Jeremy Hunt says.

durhamjen Sat 19-Mar-16 13:22:41

This is interesting.

" There will be no imposition. NHS Improvement expects employers to introduce a fairer, safer contract, which they can do for new staff and as contracts expire as juniors move through training."

This is the start of the government response to the petition above.
This is not what Hunt has been saying.
Do you think he has had to do a u-turn?

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 16:53:11

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121262/signatures/new

There is to be a debate about this petition on 21st March.
It will be live on parliament tv.

durhamjen Sun 06-Mar-16 15:39:29

i2.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/160306JuniorDoctorDisputeExplained.jpg?resize=529%2C600

A list to say what the strike is all about.

durhamjen Sat 05-Mar-16 14:08:32

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/hot-topics/seven-day-gp-access/hunt-says-he-will-not-be-held-to-ransom-by-doctors-over-seven-day-access/20031298.article

According to this article, Hunt says the spat with the junior doctors is only the start of it.
Anyone see The Last Leg trying to give Jeremy Hunt his Dick of the Year award?

durhamjen Sun 28-Feb-16 21:34:47

twitter.com/hashtag/answerthequestiondave?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

durhamjen Fri 26-Feb-16 23:44:29

"A “7-day NHS” was never part of, nor anything to do with, the work of Junior Doctors.

Sir Bruce Keogh states in the NHS’ initial findings on a “7 day NHS”, that the issue was not the number of junior doctors working at weekends, but whether they had enough other staff around them, saying “our junior doctors feel clinically exposed and unsupported at weekends” –the onus in this report and its supporting evidence was on consultants working more flexibly. The DDRB report from July last year echoes a similar sentiment: “We note that junior doctors are already working across seven days: indeed, they play a vital role in the delivery of services, particularly in the evenings, at night and at weekends”, saying that any changes need to be to Consultants contracts regarding a 7-day NHS.

Even Simon Stevens’ report, “The 5-year Forward View (released in October 2014) states the NHS must be “Ensuring that hospital patients have access to seven day services where this makes a clinical difference to outcomes” – not across the board.

The government is trying to manipulate the public into believing that these contract changes are essential to providing a more complete and safer service across weekends, and also to give a fairer deal to Junior Doctors – which appears completely contrary to every piece of evidence the Government have been presented with.

Moving forward, there needs to be serious questions asked about the legitimacy of this contract, in terms of its claims over NHS services and the protection of both the doctors it’s being imposed on and ultimately the patients whom this will directly affect.

All sides need to seriously consider their positions, as this is turning into a confrontation which shows no signs of being resolved – certainly not in 7-days and probably not in 7-weeks, or months."

From this article, showing who stands to benefit from what is happening in the dispute.

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/steve-topple/of-smoke-mirrors-cartels-and-7-day-nhs

It's all revolving doors.