Would you support the doctors' strike.

Or you may just enjoy being rude to people, hmmn?

I had to think about it for a bit ab before I remembered.However your use of the analogy was a bit strange, like many of your posts, it may be a poetic Welsh thing.

Up to Date? so you know what I am talking about Rosesarered , why ask?

Back to the topic for me Byee

what are you on about now? If you are in training to become a comedian, ab you will have to practise a bit harder, and get your material a bit more up to date.

Rosesarered, Are you the 21st century answer to Archy Andrews?

How many times does gillybob need to spell it out for you anniebach or are you being deliberately obtuse? the same doctor will STILL only work a five day rota, they do not want to work at weekends.Granted , now and then they have to depending on circumstances, but they do not want it to become a regular thing.Finding a doctor on a weekend in a hospital is a rare thing,as some of us have found out.

Oh to have your intelligence gillybob , I am in awe. I am aware people work a five day week, are you claiming the doctors are striking because they do not wish to work a five day week?

Sorry gillybob but that's how I see it, and I do appreciate it must be hard for you to see it this way given the farce of the treatment that your Mother received. But, i really do think that the proposed changes will make things worse, and I for one, support the doctors in their strike and hope they go through with it.

Saying that doctors are striking for the NHS, for the benefit of all of us seems to me a bit like someone spanking a child for its own good GillT57

Sadly, I don't think anyone desperate for a doctor would appreciate "that they are striking for the benefit of all of us"

I agree that doctors, like nursing staff, ambulance staff and others, should work a 7 day shift pattern, but simply making the same number of already overworked and overstretched junior doctors work more hours is surely not the answer. I am seriously concerned that this has been engineered to start the slow privatisation of NHS services, and as such, I support the actions of the doctors unreservedly. They are not striking for more pay, or better conditions, they are striking for the NHS, for the benefit of all of us. Too many services are being provided by private companies, and generally the service is not better and the conditions for the staff employed by these companies are generally worse. If we let this slow drip drip drip privatisation contnue the whole country NHS, schools, social services whatever, will be provided by exploited and underpaid staff employed by G4S or Crapita Capita. Add to this dreadful sistuation the added insult that the profits made by these companies are often fiddled recorded overseas. How much longer before people say enough?

No particular corner (just to make it clear).

Excuse me while I go into a corner and quietly rock.

5 from 7 for god's sake. Anniebach It is a weekly shift pattern.

I shall spell it out for you.

There are 7 days in a week. People work any 5 from those days. I believe it is very common.

...........and I didn't even mention the stress of A & E !

Blimey

Oh yes, I am really bad at maths, 5 to 7 is 14 hours not 12, sorry . So what are these jobs which work a 14 hour and equal the stress of a doctor in A & E ?

For goodness sake Anniebach if you insist on quoting me then at least get the damned quote right !!

I did not, repeat did not say that many others work a 12 hour day !!!

I said I agree that a doctor cannot be expected to work a 7 day week Anniebach but "doctors" as a whole should be expected to work 5 from 7 on a rota basis. Just like millions of other people do in hundreds of different jobs

Gillybob from the interview I heard you are in agreement with the doctors as they want enough doctors to cover the hours. If there are not enough doctors, whatever else is done, the problem will only get worse and probably the pace that it worsens at will increase as doctors leave to go elsewhere.

No more silly than you comparing other jobs with the stress of working as a doctor gillybob, you claimed many others work a twelve hour day, perhaps you would give an example which would equal the work of a doctor ?

Obviously if there are enough staff to go around Anniebach.

Mind you the impression I got from the dialysis team was that there were too many nurses allocated as there were not very many patients, given that it was 2nd January (heaven knows what it would have been like on a normal Saturday?) and not enough doctors. Whether this was because of bad administration allowing extra holidays or not enough doctors on rota etc. I have no idea?

I don't think you can compare driving a lorry to being a doctor and it's silly to even try. The point I was making is that as a doctor you should expect to work your share of unsocial hours,nights, weekends and bank holidays and they are paid rather well to do so.

But only if enough of staff to fill the rota gillybob and a twelve hour day dealing with the care of people's lives must be more stressful than driving a lorry and driving hours are restricted

Gracesgran I think the supermarket was a tiny touch of sarcasm from another GN member whom I spoke to on Saturday (apologies for the confusion). Basically she said "..... where the hell would you be expected to see a doctor on a Saturday? A bloody supermarket?"

My mum was taken home by ambulance and the acute care team came out to see her within an hour. She was sedated.

I must say being taken home very ill seemed to be a bit backside foremost to me as it would normally be the other way around.

I agree that a doctor cannot be expected to work a 7 day week Anniebach but "doctors" as a whole should be expected to work 5 from 7 on a rota basis. Just like millions of other people do in hundreds of different jobs

Thanks gillybob. That seem to be exactly what the JD in the interview I saw was saying. She pointed out that you cannot keep spreading the number of doctors we now have thinner and thinner - hence her saying that any extra money should be used for more.

They do seem to be very worried about the safety of the patient.

(Have to say my mind is still spinning about how your Mum was treated )

My sister had a heart attack in December, a Saturday, rushed to hospital , had another attack was taken to another hospital accompanied by a nurse from the cardiac unit, she arrive at the second hospital and within fifteen minutes was in theatre , this was now late Saturday evening

Doctors cannot work a seven day week, more staff is needed but that means more money