Cameron Shaming the Country

I did not mean stop them embarking on the journeys. I meant help them on their way, to wherever they want asylum. No point in sending them back to Africa or Syria, where they will just be killed.

" It's not just the poor or the refugees, even those Syrians with good income have been looking at making the perilous journey overseas. With the country destroyed, and more than half of the population now displaced, there is no future left in Syria. The surrounding countries can no longer cope with the burden. There is just nowhere to go.

Even as a wealthy educated Syrian there is no escape. In a recent trip to the Lebanese Bekaa valley, I met a Syrian surgeon: he had owned three homes in Syria, his children were in university. Now they live in a cardboard box on the side of a road. Initially, they were able to cope with the war he told me. They sold a house and took their savings out of the bank.

When their second home was destroyed in an airstrike they fled Syria. They survived on savings. They sold their third home, but for a pittance as there were few left to buy. The father searched for work in Lebanon, but there was nothing for Syrians, said. More than four years in, the savings have finished, and there is nothing left to do but try to escape."

Where does this family fit in?

if I ruled the world
djen are you Harry Secombe's DD?

NotTooOld said I could.

Many Syrians are fleeing Assad, many are fleeing IS.
This is hypothetical, but if those who want to live in a peaceful Syria flee and are accommodated not far from their homeland, with our help, then Assad and IS obliterate each other, then those who want a peaceful existence would be able go back to their country and re-build it with UN help.
I am sure most do not want to leave their homes, the land of their birth. They just want to live a peaceful and fulfilling existence, bringing up their families without fear, the same as we do.

Or is that an impossible thought?
Doles humankind always throw up these murderous people, every generation?

I do despair.

Does not Doles!

Who caused the problem in the first place? King Hussein of Jordan said this would happen if the West interfered between Iraq and Kuwait. The whole of the UAE was against Kuwait. Now we have a knee jerk reaction because of a dead child. What do you think has been happening over the last 10 years. This is not the first child to have been caught in a war zone. Germany has a guilty conscience over 6 million Jews and even now her citizens do not want refugees. Britain has supplied most aid to these refugees. Not the act of a nation that does not care. The problem is in Damascus and it is called IS. Again, what led to this hideous and infamous cruel formation of so called Islamists. Why aren't the male refugees staying to fight against IS and sending those women and children to safety of Jordan and Turkey which are of their culture. Reportedly, there are over 4 million known refugees trying to escape Syria. In fact, news programmes keep showing very young children and babies. Who would want to bring new life into such an uncertain and dangerous world. Is Europe the easy option. And why aren't we giving asylum to the Afghans who helped the western coaltion. AS is a bitter, single minded man who lost his Scottish crown and will never support the UK as a whole.

Well said, Rosequartz

Durhamjen. Don't forget the reason why there are no Royal Navy ships to help in the Med. Mr Blair saw fit to cut our defences and increase bennies. More voters. Defence budget = 40 billion. Social = 340 billion. It would be nice to live in a world free of war. But Kim Jong Il and his kind would be out of a job. What do you think to defence cut in recent Chinese military review? All those female military types marching in mini skirts - can`t they afford the material for trousers.

Not true at all, CelticRose. HMS Bulwark was there, and Cameron changed it for HMS Enterprise in June.
Bulwark saved over 5000 refugees. Cameron decided he just wanted to track traffickers rather than rescue refugees. This is what happens when we take no part in rescue.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/27/hms-bulwark-replacement-has-yet-to-rescue-any-migrants-in-mediterranean

Sorry, but there are a lot of others who will never support the UK as a whole while it's led by Cameron. In fact, most of the UK population.
Alex Salmond is right on this.

Most of the UK population won't support the UK while it's led by Cameron? Really? How do you work that out?

Who voted Tories in then?

36.9% of the population voted for the Tories. Not difficult to work out that that's not most of the population.
My grandson told me that today when he found out that 54% of Republicans think that Obama is a Muslim. That means most of them because it's more than 50%. 36.9 is less than 50% so it means most of the population do not support Cameron. Okay?

And even less support Labour. Okay?

What a stupid argument!!

Jen it was not 39% of the population that voted for the Tories it was 39% of those who voted. Only 24% of those who could have voted, voted Tory. This allows for a lot of change in future voting (thank heavens ) It also allows for a lot of very disillusioned people right now.

Probably seems more stupid if you really thought the Tories had an actual majority niggly

By the way, the Republicans were stupid as well, as Obama is a Christian.

It doesn't matter that fewer supported Labour. What I said was that a minority support Cameron. That's true, whether it was 36.9% or 24%. Thanks for putting me right, Gracesgran.

Some people ask: will people stop coming if they know the door is shut. That's what happened in Australia. Their 'boat people' problem is over.
Same thing with Calais. The numbers in the camps has stayed the same for some time. Because, word is getting back down the line that it's getting harder and harder to get across the channel.

You suggest we do this, do you, Petra?

www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/opinion/australias-brutal-treatment-of-migrants.html?ref=opinion

Which government spokesperson do you think would end up before the international court of human rights?

Anniebach I agree that Cameron is mindful of the fact that many British people feel immigration is out of control. I do think though that during the election he wasn't just responding to people's views but actually reinforcing and encouraging them - because it was a good vote winner.

Surely a leader, whilst taking account of people's views, also has a responsibility not to contribute towards creating a suspicious, fearful and mistrustful population and not to make pledges that he/she is unlikely to be able to fulfil.

In a situation as tragic as this one, I too feel frustrated and angry about the way this government is responding. Even some of his own MPs are urging more action be taken. It seems to me that because DC has been quite adamant we are doing enough, if he now has a re-think it will be because of public, media and political pressure rather than because he feels it is right.

I think that is a good description of how democracy works.

Durhamjen HMS Bulwark. Good old girl. Came to our rescue in 1974 in Cyprus when the Greeks started their own intervention. Bulwark was in need of a re-furb then under a Labour government. Thought you might like to see this quote also: "HMS Bulwark and her crew will hand over to HMS Enterprise, a Survey Vessel Hydrographic and Oceanographic (SVHO). She is well suited to the next stage of the EU’s operation, which aims to go after the criminal gangs and smugglers. The ship will contribute to the broad maritime capabilities desired by the Italian Operational Commander and will assist in the understanding and picture building of how the operation will go on to seize and disrupt the assets of smugglers" There is more at www.gov.uk/government/news/hms-enterprise-to-replace-hms-bulwark-in-the-mediterranean. It seems obvious to go for the source of the problem. Which reminds me that the Middle East has been on the boil for centuries, and before the race to the moon which - in turn - led to the greed for oil. But I digress.... is Europe the easy option. Just listened to a male Syrian being interviewed on Radio 4. What about his wife and children - he is screaming. Why don't we feed and clothe them and give them housing? Why not indeed.. And what about the Afghan interpreters who helped the coalition. Surely, they are more deserving of the help of coalition countries. The UAE is a coalition country. What are they doing to help their brothers. Instead of importing labour from Pakistan, why not use the refugees of Syria.

Tut! To re-phrase: UAE coalition country to UAE coalition States. Even though the member states of the UAE came late - very late - to the coalition party.... I understand it is a Sura of the Qu'uran that brothers should not take arms against each other. But it appears to be in the interpretation... Anyhoo.. The Emirate States are the ideal choice for refugee neighbours. They have so much oil money they don't know what to do with it, for one thing. This is probably also why they are buying up so much of Scotland. Could also be planning to send refugee neighbours there to work for them.