graham ovenden sentencing and lord mcalpine

I've never heard of Henry Tuke till I read this. Feel very uncomfortable with what I've seen of them.

Oh shite! I've done it again!

Oh yes. why would Elton like this one?

Elton John apparently owns many Henry Tuke paintings!!!I can't say why.

I've alays been in two minds about Henry Tuke the Newlyn artist. His paintings of young men and boys cavorting in the Cornish sunshine are still very popular but I always find myself why they all have to be naked and exactly who was buying them, and why.

It doesn't seem fair does it j08?

Whenim64

Oh, shame - I was quite made up with the snobby cow comment, Jingle I don't often get get such comments, being a Manchester council estate girl!

Yes, MiceElf you post does address the point. I certainly agree with your second paragraph.

Also, some other thoughtful posts I've now noticed.

I still feel unsure about censorship of images which have not yet been made illegal.

Censorship stifles debate.

I'm going over to Mumsnet to see what they have to say.

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If only some people had been 'over zealous' or 'prudish' when Savile was abusing vulnerable children.

Petallus, can I respectfully ask you to read my post of 14.30 47. It addresses your point.

Graham Ovendon is alive today, so too are his victims. He may well be an artist but he is a perverted sex offender and, by the laws and morals of the society he lives in, should so be judged. His art reflects his perversion.

What was the age of consent in those days?
Girls were property and expected to be married.
Most of those pictures are allegorical.
O tempora o mores.

No Galen I would like just the opposite.

I think it would be interesting to have a (bloodless) debate about, for instance, what is and what is not judged to be acceptable in art and whether or not knowledge of the feelings of the artist towards his models should affect the way we perceive his work.

If it should, then there would be probably be implications for a number of paintings from old masters whose models were under the age of sixteen.

Blood?

Plenty of debate and differing views on here Petallus. What were you hoping to see?

I agree, petallus. It's sometimes easier (and safer) to keep one's thoughts to oneself...

I can understand your frustration though*j08*.

I was interested in the point you tried to make about how paintings/photos which were seen as okay one minute were not the next. Also agree it was ridiculous of GNHQ to delete thread today when a week okay they would not have done so.

Unfortunately, on some GN threads, wider debate is not possible; it is drowned beneath a tidal wave of the expression of sickening disgust and the hope that the perpetrator will be severely punished.

I love Jingle and today she hates me. Wait till Merlin's on TV and I tip her off, though. I'm in her good books then!

Is it a love/hate relationship then?

but you'll still be here tomorrow, Jingle

God! I hate bloody Gransnet.

Yes, that's it when by Courbet. I know it as The Origin of the World and if it is in France I've likely only seen a print although I have visited The Louvre a couple of times.

I cringe when I look at that painting.

But back to seductive images of children, an early copy of Lolita which I have in my possession (1960s) has a very provocative drawing of a child of about 12 on the front. She is smilin lasciviously and shower her knickers.