graham ovenden sentencing and lord mcalpine

Petallus, can I respectfully ask you to read my post of 14.30 47. It addresses your point.

If only some people had been 'over zealous' or 'prudish' when Savile was abusing vulnerable children.

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Yes, MiceElf you post does address the point. I certainly agree with your second paragraph.

Also, some other thoughtful posts I've now noticed.

I still feel unsure about censorship of images which have not yet been made illegal.

Censorship stifles debate.

I'm going over to Mumsnet to see what they have to say.

Oh, shame - I was quite made up with the snobby cow comment, Jingle I don't often get get such comments, being a Manchester council estate girl!

Whenim64

It doesn't seem fair does it j08?

I've alays been in two minds about Henry Tuke the Newlyn artist. His paintings of young men and boys cavorting in the Cornish sunshine are still very popular but I always find myself why they all have to be naked and exactly who was buying them, and why.

Elton John apparently owns many Henry Tuke paintings!!!I can't say why.

Oh yes. why would Elton like this one?

Oh shite! I've done it again!

I've never heard of Henry Tuke till I read this. Feel very uncomfortable with what I've seen of them.

could be Alexander and Hephaestion

That deletion down there was to do with my getting that other one deleted.

Bit farcical, isn't it?

I wonder if it's possible to find the naked human body beautiful without it being sexual.

What about Michelangelo's David? Leda and the Swan? Where does one draw the line at what is accepable in art now. I'm getting confused. I did once say to my daughter's art teacher that I'd seen some work by Balthus that I thought was good [I'd read that David Bowie was a fan] and he was horrified. At the time I just thought they were interesting and well painted.

I think the Tuke ones are quite beautiful

j08 in spite of censorship, you have provoked a very interesting debate. I can see both sides, why the original link upset those with first hand experience of child abuse and for myself the issue of why your link was deleted by Gransnet. I still think your link should have remained, I do abhor censorship but I guess GN's rules rule, so to speak I never have read the small print.

jingle The middle one looks like Prince Harry

she's old enough to know better (Balthus) But at least she's got her drawers on (of sorts)

I thought that merlot!!! (perhaps that's where he got the idea from )

I will now go to bed, having started and ended my day posting mucky pics on Gransnet.

Well Sel as someone once said in another context ' pass me the sick bucket'