Do you think you know when you are going to die?

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Macaydia

In my opinion, the symptoms of hypotension, hypoxia and neurotransmitter disregulation seem to be sadness, dizziness, nausea, fatigue and mild confusion.

When I look at symptoms of NDE, it always describes floating above your body, travelling theough a tunnel, seeung a bright light and feelung love and peace.

Im not there yet but I am curious.

I will try not to speak in a patronising manner. I apologise to you. Over emotional these days - sorry SueDonim. Your opinions are as correct as mine and most otbers.

Keep your faith fancyflowers

Thank you for your rather patronising post, Macaydia. As you suggest, I have looked at NDE’s. It very much suggests to me that they are indeed caused by bodily processes, such as hypoxia, hypotension and neurotransmitter dysregulation as death approaches. It also revealed that people also experience terrifying NDEs but these are much less spoken of due to the stigma.

I cannot see how I can have caused gloom to anyone - surely they must have faith in their belief about NDE even if my own opinion is different.

My husband also had visitors but it was weeks before he died. I just thought it was his brain malfunctioning. I wish I was more aware.

He would have long conversations with them. One time I asked for more details - what was he wearing? Did he have shoes on? What color was his hair? Every detail my DH answered and one thing I just remembered right now is that he was so surprised that the person knew everything about him since he was a little child. I assumed he was talking to a version of himself but now I am wonderimg if that was his grandfather visiting.

My husband died in March this year, five days before he died he told me he had seen people around his bed, we had been married for just over fifty four years and never had he said anything like this before. I wish now I had not dismissed it as just a dream and talked to him more in depth at what he had seen. I found him dead
in his bed, he did have some health issues but the end was so sudden and unexpected, anyway it gives me some comfort who knows none of us do

...and especially to the kind post by FancyFlowers

Yes, I believe our energy continues and I dont mind that others do not.

SueDonim, no offence to your dd remembering what the professors had her memorise in school and you must be very proud of the important deed she does assisting others in times of severe illness but NotSpaghetti is correct that myoclonic jerks are not the same as becoming alert, happy expression and reaching up slowly towards the ceiling towards an invisible (to us) person immediately before death.

Myoclonic jerks are more like involuntary twitches (electrical-brain short-circuit-like) and very common before death and sometimes just a part of life. I have one myoclinic jerk every night before I fall asleep which only began after my stroke.

If you or your dd would research NDE (near death experiences) it may expand your curiosity about this. It is not the same as a Lazarus reflex which is an uncommon movement that occurs after a patient is brain dead and is possibly related to a spinal cord reflex. The Lazurus reflex occurs after someone has died, not before they die.

I was afraid your post may have caused gloom for those of us who have experienced our loved ones speaking to relatives and reaching up to them as their consciousness left their physical body, which is a comfort to those of us left behind.

I think myoclonic jerks are different and not just a moment of death thing. I could be wrong but somewhere in the distant past I read something about a Lazarus reflex or Lazarus movement or similar...

It’s called myoclonic jerks, btw.

My dd is an experienced medic who has worked in palliative care. It’s what she learnt over six years of med school. I imagine she’s seen more deaths than most people have.

SueDonim

Fancyflowers wrote I believe this is true, I have seen loved ones lift up their arms on the point of death, as if they were being welcomed across

It’s a common reaction by muscles in the body to the oxygen loss when the heart and breathing slowing down and stop, nothing to do with seeing people waiting for them.

And where do you get this muscle reaction theory from? A source? An article? Or your own imagination? A common reaction to lack of oxygen? What if their oxygen saturation is fine, then what? How about when they are on a breathing ventilator with no slowness of breathing? Your view does not seem any more scientific than others' comments and speculation about the "other side".

Also, why do their arms reach up to the ceiling and not the muscles in their legs due to this oxygen loss?

Where oh where did this idea get put into your mind? Oxygen experience? I am baffled.🤔

That is how I feel at 79.

Fancyflowers wrote I believe this is true, I have seen loved ones lift up their arms on the point of death, as if they were being welcomed across

It’s a common reaction by muscles in the body to the oxygen loss when the heart and breathing slowing down and stop, nothing to do with seeing people waiting for them.

My daughter’s children have just lost their beloved paternal Grandad - a strong fit 83 year old. No health issues, no regular medication.
He was carrying a bag of compost out of the garage, when he collapsed. When his wife returned from town, she found.
Called for an ambulance but it was too late

Marg75

I was diagnosed with bowel cancer twenty five years ago and had to actually face the idea that I may die, all I could think about was my family that I would leave behind. That made me feel very distressed rather than the fact of facing death myself.

I nearly died 8 years ago cancer then sepsis which they couldnt get under control. I was told by my surgeon that I was more likely than not to die after the second op and that people with my severity of sepsis usually do not make it! My main worry was how my family would cope and it was that which motivated me rather than a fear of death. When I was unconscious, I saw both my late parents and they told me that my time hasn’t come. I still get emotional and I think about it now.

I googled the lovely quotation above and a page came fup with expanded thoughts. All very calming and comforting. I think it was written by AI and had a title .The Weight of Ordinary Days.

The sort of page to read regularly. I came across a song some time back with the words "just a flicker then a breeze" which I find comforting.

But I do agree that leaving friends and family behind is so sad more than the fear of death.

Macaydia

I just did some research and everyone said that before their loved one died, their loved one started seeing relatives (who had died) one week prior.

I believe this is true, I have seen loved ones lift up their arms on the point of death, as if they were being welcomed across.

Sorry the thanks was for the OrchidFlower10 post. Although your post was nice too Whitewavemark2!

Yes, thank you, that's lovely.

🙏Thank you, WhiteWaveMark2.

I read a post by OrchidFlower10 (wonderfully written) which said,

"One day life will quietly end, not with a dramatic warning but in the middle of ordinary moments— unfinished plans, unread messages, dreams still waiting for their time.

The world will not stop; it will keep moving just as it always has. Streets will stay busy, people will laugh, the sun will rise again. And that is the strange truth of life: we are temporary in a world that continues endlessly."

"Laugh loudly, chase experiences, forgive quickly, and appreciate the moments that seem ordinary today. Because one day, these ordinary moments will be the most valuable things you ever had."

Macaydia

I saw a GP today and he said I will be fine. I will get better but my memory might never heal. Thats fine - I am just here for the ride and it sure has been a wild one. Last decade for me.

Good oh, I wished you well in your recovery and pleased to hear that you are indeed recovering.

Heartfelt best wishes for the strength and energy in your carer roll though. It is hard as many of us have found.

I just did some research and everyone said that before their loved one died, their loved one started seeing relatives (who had died) one week prior.

I saw a GP today and he said I will be fine. I will get better but my memory might never heal. Thats fine - I am just here for the ride and it sure has been a wild one. Last decade for me.