Is Gender Critical the new Pro Life?

Who would deny the right to safe spaces for anyone? Not me.
Who would deny adult human females the right to safe spaces where males are not allowed? Hmm now let me think. What sort of feminist would do that?
And before you drag in looking at people’s genitalia again trisher, if it looks like a male and acts like a male of course its sex is going to be questioned before admission to a safe space for women.
If it looks like a female in distress and acts like a female in distress, then questions are less likely.
It would be a terrible thing if a male or one of the few TW with evil intent went to great efforts to appear and behave like a female in distress just to gain access to a women’s safe space. Do you think that would ever happen?

Galaxy

You constantly police gender trisher, you talk about dressing like a woman, living like a woman, gender critical people dont believe in those stereotypes.

It isn't "policing gender" to say that I accept as a woman someone who dresses or has the appearance of what is conventionally accepted as a woman. As for gender critical not believing in those stereotypes look at all the posts where they have claimed they can tell a transwomen by her height, the width of her shoulders, her voice or her facial hair- all of which a ciswoman can have. If that isn't "policing gender" please explain what is.

Mollygo

Who would deny the right to safe spaces for anyone? Not me.
Who would deny adult human females the right to safe spaces where males are not allowed? Hmm now let me think. What sort of feminist would do that?
And before you drag in looking at people’s genitalia again trisher, if it looks like a male and acts like a male of course its sex is going to be questioned before admission to a safe space for women.
If it looks like a female in distress and acts like a female in distress, then questions are less likely.
It would be a terrible thing if a male or one of the few TW with evil intent went to great efforts to appear and behave like a female in distress just to gain access to a women’s safe space. Do you think that would ever happen?

I haven't denied safe spaces to anyone Mollygo I simply believe that they should be strictly risk assessed to ensure the safety of all in them.

The level of patronisation on here is astounding. But then, I don't know why I'm surprised. Yet another tool of the patriarchy to shut up any that dare to try to change the existing order.

So you see safe spaces for women as Patriarchy GGJ?

Who do you think is patronising whom, GagaJo?

Crikey that's quite a list of things that are tools of the patriarchy, that actually arent.

Trisher I am afraid you have used the facial hair argument in exactly the opposite way, when I pointed out that my mum wore no make up and always wore trousers you argued that she probably didnt have facial hair so therefore would be recognised as a woman.

It's like plaiting fog, isn't it, Galaxy.

Galaxy I really do resent people trying to pin me down as some sort of gender inspector, so when they post things about their personal lives which I find rather irrelevant I tend to become a bit facetious. I apologise. I know it's not a good trait but I sometimes slip!

I still don't understand how it is gender critical to assert you can spot a transwoman at 50 paces Could you explain please? Then I'll be able to sort out my misconceptions about gender.

Gagajo Isn't it funny when so called feminsts don't recognise the patriachal tools they use (well you have to laugh or you'd cry!)

It really is trisher. If men said the things the women on here are saying, we'd all be up in arms. But it's OK, because they're 'women' (self ID'd) and 'feminists'.

It honestly makes me not want to participate. I read the bile and think, why am I involving myself? It's such a negative experience. But then, it's a luxury to be able to remove yourself from the battle. Trans people can't. People of colour can't.

What have people of colour to do with this?

If you want to 'battle' with science, you really need to arm yourself with some facts, engage with the debate rather than refusing to answer questions and resorting to Mean Girls' style snide digs at others and recognise that just because you say so doesn't make something true.

For the record - I am not a 'self-ID'd' woman. I was recognised as female at birth, developed a female body and have given birth to children, so have female gametes. I am, therefore, female. I am over 18, so am an adult, and I am human, so the bases are all covered.

For the record - I am not a 'self-ID'd' woman. I was recognised as female at birth, developed a female body and have given birth to children, so have female gametes. I am, therefore, female. I am over 18, so am an adult, and I am human, so the bases are all covered. me too Doodledog. I also wonder why people of colour have to be hijacked and conflated with this issue.

Rosie51

^For the record - I am not a 'self-ID'd' woman. I was recognised as female at birth, developed a female body and have given birth to children, so have female gametes. I am, therefore, female. I am over 18, so am an adult, and I am human, so the bases are all covered.^ me too Doodledog. I also wonder why people of colour have to be hijacked and conflated with this issue.

It's called Intersectional feminism Rosie51 This is a great explanation of it www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2020/6/explainer-intersectional-feminism-what-it-means-and-why-it-matters

Doodledog my bases are well covered too so As an adult human female, I’m a woman.
As for patronising, at least I’m being patronised by experts in the habit.

For those who don't do links this pretty much sums it up
While issues ranging from discrimination based on gender identity to disparate environmental burdens may seem separate at first, intersectional feminism illuminates the connections between all fights for justice and liberation. It shows us that fighting for equality means not only turning the tables on gender injustices, but rooting out all forms of oppression. It serves as a framework through which to build inclusive, robust movements that work to solve overlapping forms of discrimination, simultaneously.

trisher I ended up in a refuge as a teen due to the abusive behaviour of a woman (my mother). There were quite a few near my age there. 1 because she had aged out of foster care. 1 not due to rape but due to the fact that she was raped and her parents were not supportive of her and blamed her. Another 2 like me, who had just been chucked out at the earliest opportunity and had no way to fend for themselves. 1 with 2 children recivering from an abusive relationship and another pregnant who had issues with substances and did lose her baby sadly.

There were a few others there but they kept to themselves and I didn't meet them

Who doesn't do links?

I think we all understand intersectional feminism, but as we are supposed to be talking about Pro-lifers and their tenuous connections with the gender-critical outlook, and as poor Ilovecheese was told off like a child because she dared to deviate from the subject at hand, I fail to see the relevance.

It comes across as appropriation of the concerns of people of colour in a futile attempt to score points.

VioletSky

trisher I ended up in a refuge as a teen due to the abusive behaviour of a woman (my mother). There were quite a few near my age there. 1 because she had aged out of foster care. 1 not due to rape but due to the fact that she was raped and her parents were not supportive of her and blamed her. Another 2 like me, who had just been chucked out at the earliest opportunity and had no way to fend for themselves. 1 with 2 children recivering from an abusive relationship and another pregnant who had issues with substances and did lose her baby sadly.

There were a few others there but they kept to themselves and I didn't meet them

That is really sad, VS, and I genuinely have every sympathy.

I don't want to dismiss your experiences, but I really don't understand what they have to do with this thread, however.

It was mentioned and I gave my answer

I'm on lunch and not enough time to keep up

Domestic abuse isn't always carried out by men or just in relationships with partners.

It's much broader than people think

Exactly. How many of us are engaging in this argument, sitting comfortably in our own (owned) home, with heat and food. If we go to the shops, we aren't discriminated against because of our gender expression, the colour of our skin, or our accent, nationality or how recently we have arrived in the UK (or wherever else posters on here are residing).

And yet, some on here, for all their advantages, wish to deny others the same untrammelled existence. And still wish to call themselves feminists. Definitely not intersectional.

Yes VS. And you have become an inclusive credit to yourself.

There was another young lady I remember too, thrown out by her very religious parents for being pregnant. I can't believe I forgot her because she had her baby in the toilets near my room and I slept though the whole thing

Thanks VioletSky I sometimes despair about the inability some have to see the point of someone's experiences if it contradicts their own beliefs, especially when they expect their own accounts to be regarded as standard setters.
I do wonder if some of the posters on GN have limited life experiences and fail to recognise how some women behave. I don't know if they think it is somehow more feminist to see women only as victims, or if they think acknowledging women are sometimes perpetrators somehow links to mysogyny. I have no doubt there are abusive women.

Just for the record and the hard of understanding GC people are critical of gender stereotypes and the imposition of those stereotypes, they recognise that sex is immutable but presentation is whatever you want, it is not a racist stance. Some may be racist just like their racist counterparts in the TRAs, but most won't be. Strange though how you never tag on the physically disabled and those with learning difficulties, many of whom encounter discrimination, but maybe they're just not worthy enough. Another case of "does he take sugar?"

Oh for goodness' sake trisher I haven't seen one poster who denies women can do dreadful things!