"everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix"

I agree with you maryeliza54 - I am sick to the back teeth of these absolutely tiny minorities being given priority over everybody else.

Sorry ME but that’s bullshit....IMO ?

Oh dear - this is so just not about this specific issue. If only it were. What CRUK have done is another example of the erasure of women and the denial of the reality of biological sex in determining what a women is. It’s about the whole self id issue and the potential loss of safe spaces for women and girls. It’s about our hard won rights being systematically taken from us in order to appease a vocal minority. It’s about all political parties being caught up in this madness and if you disagree with this new orthodoxy being called transphobic. People with a cervix, pregnant people - I despair. Of course it matters

Yes, erasing women is fine ME and really FN there are other ways to reach these woman you flag up.

So many woman or normal ability and good English skills do not present for smear tests. So what’s wrong with catching their atention with this advert? Do we always have to target extremes?

Exactly what is the problem with dropping the word women? Surely it’s true equality when it’s just aimed at persons with cervix’s (should that be cervi?). Would there be a problem if a similar campaign was aimed at “Anyone with a Prostate”?

I rather think FarNorth that any woman with low reading skills wouldn’t read it anyway, even if it said Woman with a Cervix. Would they be able to read Cervix?

OldMeg, would that wording on an advert catch your eye and make you feel that you are the person they want to address?
Do you genuinely believe that most women, including those whose first language is not English or who have low reading skills or who have little knowledge of their biology, will find that wording noticeable and inviting?

Of course it is factually correct, but campaigns need to be more than that.

OldMeg so erasing women is fine?

Don’t think there’s anything wrong with the Cancer Research UK wording. What a fuss over nothing.

Yes 64 is evidence based

I’ll go with that. Thanks!

NfkDumpling Re the cut-off age of 64. As I understand it, screening picks up pre-cancerous cells which might in some 20 or 30 years develop into the full-blown disease. If you've not developed precancerous cells by your 60's, it's unlikely you ever will.

I've also read that women who have had five consecutive clear tests are also unlikely to ever develop the disease.

Don't take my word for this, of course, as I'm not a health professional, but you might like to Google to find out more and be reassured.

Fennel, yes the words are made up of trans + gender they wish to be.
It's nothing to do with physical reality, only the feelings and wishes of the trans person.

maryeliza54, thanks for the link to the informative article. I've only known one baby who'd "fit" into the categories described in the article. What a challenge for parents, who clearly should have excellent support from paediatricians, psychologists, surgeons etc. I expect that those services are in the early stages of developing understanding of better ways of supporting the children and their parents, that the rather simplistic approaches to date.
As you say, intersex is different to the issues faced by transgender people.

I would have thought that most transmen who still have lady bits would have the sense to realise who its aimed at. Surely men read the adverts too in the same way as women read adverts aimed at men and nag them into having prostate cancer tests.

I’m upset that it’s agist. Why stop at 64?

I e-mailed on Sunday and haven't received a reply.
I wonder if that is due to volume or not?

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/02/male-and-female-what-is-it-like-to-be-intersex

This is an excellent article about the issues of having an intersex baby and all the associated problems. I hope it also shows why discussions about transgenderism are not related to intersex people at all.

The intersex issue is nothing to do with the transgender issues.

The terminology confuses me .
So a 'transman' was a girl at birth?
And a 'transwoman' was a boy at birth?
There are so many 'inbetweens'. Babies born with ambiguous genitalia etc. What gender are they?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

SueDonim, I've written back making that point again. I breathlessly await their response.
If anyone else feels like contacting Cancer Research UK on this, all to the good.
This is not quibbling about minor wording, it's trying to ensure CRUK gets a clear message out to those who need it.
It may be 'only' a tweet today, next time it could be all of their advertising if they think everyone's fine with it.

If a transman has forgotten that they are a woman, they have probably also forgotten that they have a cervix

oh now FarNorth don't go using logic on this issue. It's not allowed.

That response doesn't answer any of the questions about women who are unaware they even have a cervix, women for whom English is not their first language and, as a friend pointed out, women with learning disabilities who may not understand this new term of people with cervixes.

If a transman has forgotten that they are a woman, they have probably also forgotten that they have a cervix.

I am sure most transmen are fully aware that they are biologically female.

Here is a reply from Cancer Research UK :

'I am sorry to read about the concerns that have been caused by our recent tweet.

We phrased our information on cervical screening awareness week to highlight that Cervical cancer develops in anyone who has a cervix. This includes women as well as people with other gender identities such as trans men. Also, screening might not be relevant for all women such as those who have had a full hysterectomy. We phrased our information on cervical screening awareness week to reflect this. Some women identify as men but still have a cervix, so we wanted to make it clear that they would still need to be aware of the screening programme.

Please be assured that this is absolutely not about erasing women. It’s our duty to make sure that people who are eligible for this screening programme know about it which includes trans men. I completely understand your concern about how we communicate cancer awareness to men and women and I will pass this feedback on for consideration in future communications.

We do always welcome feedback and so I do thank you for getting in touch. We definitely want to ensure that our messaging is as accessible as possible for lots of different audiences. We will make sure that’s considered for future communications.

Many thanks,

Sophie Marshall

Senior Executive - Supporter Engagement'

It's not just Hostelling Scotland.

YHA in England and Wales states :
"YHA hostels typically offer a mixture of private bedrooms and shared single gender dormitories. Some hostels offer bedrooms with en-suite toilet and shower facilities. Other hostels have shared toilets and showers. Transgender guests are welcome to use the accommodation and facilities which match their gender identity."
(my underlining)

www.yha.org.uk/faqs

To anyone who has concerns about this, I urge you to make your concerns known to YHA or Hostelling Scotland, or both.