Thank you so much Shysal, this is all a bit new but I'm not afraid to ask or look up stuff. I have an excellent osteopath who is a very wise lady who has known me for years and I am having treatment from her at the moment as my back is in need anyway and she suggested pmr very quickly last week and all the symptoms fit. It ha s been an exhausting week of celebration so thought I had overdone it etc but now I am 'clean' again so monitoring what I am doing. Very open to natural remedies but not in a over the top manner just a common sense one with the hope of avoiding drugs. Anyway I'm chuffed by your response so will keep u posted, thanks again xx