Would you consider Botox etc.

DS has botox to 'relax' his arm after his stroke. Anything to do with looks is very shallow compared to that!

That's interesting the last thing botox appears to do is relax the face.

In my case no matter what you do you 'can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear'. So I won't waste my money.

No, I wouldn't have Botox either.My DD has about 30 injections into her head every 4 months [of Botox] and this has to happen for 2 years as part of a treatment for chronic migraine.She says it is very painful to have done, but it does appear to help the migraines [she certainly doesn't need it for wrinkles.]

I have a young relation [41 - well young to me],who has had Botox in her forehead and eye area. I can't see an improvement as I don't see that there was anything that needed improving. It does bother me though that she is sending a poor message to her daughter. At least Botox isn't permanent though, as opposed to her tattoos - don't get me started on those!!!

kitty that's interesting. As for putting toxins into one's body, I think we knowingly do that all the time anyway: e.g. via skin creams, eating processed food, food that's been wrapped in cling film, etc., etc.

I wouldn't have Botox for wrinkles but would have a face-lift.

Botox is also used for haemorrhoids.

Never in a million years. Inject poison into my face, or have it cut into just for the sake of vanity? Utter madness. I am very conscious that we older women need to send a message to younger women, if it's not already too late, that its really ok to get older and to look it. I would be ashamed of passing on insecurity about ageing to my daughter. I can but try!

A few years ago I used to treat myself to a monthly pedicure at a local salon. When they started marketing invasive treatments including Botox and fillers I moved my business elsewhere and told the owner the reason why. She sympathised but said she can't fight market forces. I will carry on my one woman protest, for what it's worth (about as much as my one woman protest against Tesco )

I wouldn't say it's just vanity. Anymore than its vanity that makes us wash or get our hair done, clean our shoes or think about what we are wearing. A lot of women in the public eye have work done because otherwise they wouldn't get a job, or would maybe lose the job they had, or maybe they think they would. For many complex reasons we tend to find younger looking people more attractive than older looking people, maybe it's a basic evolutionary behaviour, maybe we should rise above it and say we don't care how we look, but many of us do care about how we look and try to make the best of our diminishing assets. Maybe we should just give up, but why should we? I'm not saying we should all aim to look young, just look the best we can, and for some people that may include face lifts, Botox etc. it's up to them surely.

I like your post SUSI, it is frank and to the point!!

I think that there is a spectrum of looking after ourselves. Starting with washing ourselves, then our hair etc.
For a lot of people botox is a step too far.
And it is expensive I presume.

Each to their own suzie, it's just that I can't agree that women (or men for that matter) can't look their best even with a few wrinkles and other signs of ageing. I do care how I look and I do use lotions and potions, but I draw the line at toxins (according to Wikipedia botox is the most acutely lethal toxin known) and surgical procedures, that's all.

Some one commented " making a purse out of a sows ear". That made me think thta I have neverseen a pig with wrinkles. So that poses three choices for less wrinkles :-
Less stress
cover yourself in sh-t daily
become a sausage

I'm sure our stressful lives cannot help and we are just living longer. Face lifts sometimes look ok at first, but as people grow older it starts to look all wrong, or are they just having more and more surgery (I am referring to those in the public eye)

Botox in its clinical use is neither 'toxic' or 'lethal' nightowl - it's used for a variety of conditions including migraine and spasticity.

Becoming a sausage, metaphorically of course, can help. You may lay yourself wide open to a number of life-threatening conditions by being overweight, but if your face is fat it'll be wrinkle-free!

May I say POMPA , you are a man, so how on earth can you relate to how women feel about Botox ?

I know it is used medically Riverwalk but it doesn't mean it's not toxic. Aren't many drugs toxic - in fact don't most of them have a 'lethal dose'? Isn't that what the drug companies spend a lot of time and money researching?

I'm sure I would be very grateful for botox used for a medical condition, as some posters have described, just as I'd be glad of cosmetic surgery if I had a dreadful accident that left me with facial injuries, but we're not talking about that are we? We're talking about a person making a choice to undergo these procedures because they think it would make them look better. I think it's a shame and I don't think it does (make anyone look better - just different).

No, pompa

I always admired Sue Barker, don't tell me she has given in to pressure from the BBC

Nona, get your facts straight before you start shouting at me.

In fact none of my comments have referred to either sex.
As far as I am aware I have not made any comment on how women feel about botox etc..
If you read my very first post I was asking opinion because of what my daughter said.
I am in as good a position as anyone to comment on what I think the visual outcome is, male or female.
Apart from which botox etc is not solely for women, Cliff Richard admits to using it, as I'm sure many other men do.

Wait til you see Barry Manilow on Strictly next week...now there's a man who's taken it too far!

RoseQuartz, I'm afraid that whilst it may not just be pressure from the BBC, she has gone (IMO) too far. If it is on Iplayer, she introduced the APT tennis. As I said when she spoke or smiled, only her mouth moved. I always thought she was an attractive woman.

I have to agree with suzied, I think some actors overdo it though, they lose the character in their faces. I think face lifts can end up with the person looking odd.

Ana, yes, it seems as though once you start, you cannot stop.

I suppose we are are all assuming that SB did it for work reasons.
Maybe she did it purely because she wanted to?

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