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I've been a rubbish mum/gran

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Annge Sat 20-Jun-26 23:31:58

Hi all
So my daughter recently had her second baby and I cared for her son while she was in hospital for 4 days, visiting every day with him. When they went home I left them more or less alone as a family unit until my SIL went back to work. I honestly thought that's what they wanted. We did speak on the phone almost daily, and she did say she was struggling with breastfeeding and sleepless nights etc. and seemed really down.

Well, apparently this was her actually asking me to come and help with the baby, her toddler, cooking, cleaning and whatever. I didn't pick up on that.
So a few weeks ago she rounded on me telling me what a rubbish mother and grandmother I am, that I let her down, and that she won't forgive me. She said it's more than just that, and I don't ever show enough interest in my grandchildren and never volunteer to help.

I have to add that although I'm reasonably young (63) I am ill with a number of chronic health conditions which leaves me exhausted most of the time. I tried to explain that but she won't have it because I take holidays etc. so she says I am exaggerating. She's completely back to normal health and activities now btw and not suffering from postnatal depression.

I really don't know where to go from here. On the one hand I know it will really impact my health to do more but the real problem is that I am devastated at having let her down so badly. She's all but ignoring me atm and I'm struggling to cope with the upset. I cried on the phone to her and that was a mistake because she just said I'm feeling sorry for myself and that it's my own fault.
She's shared all this with my DiL who agrees with her, and my son and her have now cut me off completely so I know there must be truth in it, although I minded their son 2 days a week until he started school this year!

I'm trying to step up but it's really taking a toll on my physical health.
She has also shared this tale of woe with my two brothers and her cousins so I'm feeling judged and ashamed everywhere with no one to turn to (except you lovely people). I paint a smile on for her because she won't tolerate me 'feeling sorry for myself' but I'm honestly so depressed and when I go home I spend all my time crying.
I'd really welcome some advice to repair my relationship with them all. I'm not looking for people feeling sorry for me, because I accept that I have obviously let her down very badly (and apparently my ds and dil as well).

Summerlove Fri 26-Jun-26 02:39:03

Please don’t show up unannounced Op, you know they do not like it, so why be rude because you can? Should you do it anyway expect everything to get much worse.
If my parents - let alone my in-laws - had shown up unannounced to tell me off I’d have been livid.

DiamondLily Wed 24-Jun-26 16:27:24

Your daughter chose to become pregnant. We all managed years ago, even with a toddler.

Tine she stood on her own two feet. 🙄

eazybee Wed 24-Jun-26 11:10:43

I read the original post and commented but have only just returned to this thread.
Two words stand out to me: 'disrespect' and 'apologise'.
In no way have you disrespected (silly word anyway)your daughter, Annge; she has shown a great lack of respect to you and is treating you in a hurtful and immature manner. You have apologised, and your apology has been rejected with contempt. Do not offer it again.
I am wondering who is looking after their child now, for two ten -hour days as well as a stressful and tiring job with complications of health issues.
You are wise to write it all down, keep it for a few days then burn it, otherwise you will re-read it at a later date and the feelings and upset will return. I really would not go and thrash it out with your son; it is none of his business anyway, but it will only exacerbate the situation.
You do not deserve such ungrateful children and what has happened is most definitely not your fault, but at present I really would let things ride. I have a feeling they will require your help soon, for Saturday morning shopping, and I would be very careful how you respond.
How has this happened that adult children are able to treat their parents with such contempt? (witness the example of H & M).

Smileless2012 Wed 24-Jun-26 10:18:31

That doesn't apply to my post because when it comes to access to GC, the parents hold all the cards MarieElla. You cannot see your GC without the consent of their parents.

Not all EAC are open to reconciliation regardless of what their EP's may say or do to try to make amends.

It is rare that children cut their parents off for no reason it doesn't necessarily follow though that the reason has anything to do the parents they've estranged being at fault; EAC can be and at times are at fault.

MarieElla Wed 24-Jun-26 09:35:09

Not in all cases, tbh.
My sister estranged herself from my mother for good reason ( and only wanted mum to recognise how she has failed her (and me but I didn't want to cut contact as I live on another country and didn't have to see her too much)
Mum held the card there as she just needed to accept she got many things wrong and my sister would have been open yo a reunion.
It is rare that children cut their parents off for no reason.....very rare.

Smileless2012 Wed 24-Jun-26 09:11:58

When it comes to access to GC, they do hold all the cards MarieElla.

MarieElla Wed 24-Jun-26 07:38:38

Ask to meet somewhere neutral to thrash it out.
They don't hold all the cards.
They quite possibly will be missing you too and coukd be regretting that things have gone too far.

Allsorts Tue 23-Jun-26 20:23:08

I would not just turn up. Could make you feel much worse. It looks as if they have joined forces and cancelled you, that's the latest, not estranged, they cancel.
They hold all the cards and we need them more than they do us. I no longer exist to my daughter because that's what she planned.

stillawipp Tue 23-Jun-26 18:08:36

Oh dear, OP, I’m sorry you have found yourself in this situation with both of your children.
I think that you need to listen to what they are both saying to you, and then judge whether there is any truth at all in what they say. If so, give them a genuine apology and say that you will try to do better, as much as you are able. If not, then calmly and clearly explain why you haven’t been able to do as they have obviously hoped for.
Turning up to your son’s house to ‘thrash it out’ when you already know that your DIL does not like surprise visits sounds like a really bad idea, more suited to you than to them, and may be one clue as to why they are upset with you!

StTrinians Tue 23-Jun-26 17:57:03

So glad that you will write it out, Annge, as that also helps me. No, definitely don't give the writing to your D. It is for you, to help you. Sending best wishes. smile

InRainbows Tue 23-Jun-26 16:17:02

Annge

Thank you so much to everyone who responded to my OP.
I have taken everything on board and got some good suggestions. I am going to write everything down just to get it off my chest, but I won't actually give that to my DD as I don't think she will respond well. Other than that I will leave things alone as much as I can to let the dust settle and take my cue from her rather than force the issue - hopefully time will heal.
Don't think the same approach will work with my son though as he can be exceptionally stubborn so, even though DIL does not like surprise visits I am going to call on them after DGS bedtime to see if we can thrash it out and move forward. Wish me luck!!
Finally, I really can't thank you all enough for you kindness and support (well, almost all of you wink). Mentally I am now in a much stronger frame of mind thanks to this wonderful community

Would it be best to arrange something at a neutral location? I would find someone showing up unannounced to have a word with me very disrespectful and they would not cross the threshold.

Smileless2012 Tue 23-Jun-26 09:00:36

Writing everything down and getting it off your chest can be very cathartic Annge and I'm glad that you're in a stronger frame of mind.

FWIW I think that waiting to see if things settle down with your D is a good idea and I hope that she'll take the time to look at how she's behaved and see the error of her ways.

I hope that if you were able to thrash it out with your son that you've managed to clear the air and find a way forward. Sometimes 'taking the bull by the horns' is the right thing to do.

I hope you'll keep in touch and let us know how things are and wish you well flowers.

Chocolatelovinggran Tue 23-Jun-26 08:25:27

Good luck Annge .

MissAdventure Mon 22-Jun-26 21:11:33

Wishing you all the best, Annge. flowers

Annge Mon 22-Jun-26 21:02:30

Thank you so much to everyone who responded to my OP.
I have taken everything on board and got some good suggestions. I am going to write everything down just to get it off my chest, but I won't actually give that to my DD as I don't think she will respond well. Other than that I will leave things alone as much as I can to let the dust settle and take my cue from her rather than force the issue - hopefully time will heal.
Don't think the same approach will work with my son though as he can be exceptionally stubborn so, even though DIL does not like surprise visits I am going to call on them after DGS bedtime to see if we can thrash it out and move forward. Wish me luck!!
Finally, I really can't thank you all enough for you kindness and support (well, almost all of you wink). Mentally I am now in a much stronger frame of mind thanks to this wonderful community

JaneJudge Mon 22-Jun-26 06:33:28

Monica, not at all! You come across as lovely!

InRainbows Sun 21-Jun-26 23:54:49

I think this is all over simplified. These feelings are just the surface and something deeper is behind it all. The only way of finding that out is a conversation between mother and daughter.

M0nica Sun 21-Jun-26 21:45:05

JaneJudge

I love Monica. I wish she'd give me a good talking to sometimes. Especially on a Monday morning when I don't want to go into work smile

Oh dear, do i come over that badly. In reality I am as sweet as a pussy cat.

StTrinians Sun 21-Jun-26 21:33:12

Luckygirl and Smileless, yes, I do agree. I too have had 2 years of poor behaviour, often hard and very cruel, which seems to have become a type of estrangement from my daughter, who emigrated 7 years ago roughly, but said we were "unsupportive", and that she "didn't feel loved", despite our financial help, and offers to stay to help when her baby was born. It really hurts. So, I too feel your pain. You have really tried, and done so much for your daughter, it was your best and what you thought she wanted. You can only do what is in your power. It seems to me that this is a generational problem. I also have a neice who is, being very cruel to my brother in law, and his wife, for no real reason. Her behaviour is worse, but I won't go into that now. Suffice to say, this behaviour is all too common these days sadly. This current child bearing generation acts with a sense of entitlement, has selfish behaviour, really very mean behaviour, and, in our case, that seems to the beginning of an estrangement, something we don't want, but seem powerless to stop happening, and that estrangement is sadly increasingly common. It seems to us that this generation (born 1990 to 2000) are cruel, and selfish? If you had offered help, perhaps it would have may been refused, just like mine was! Emigration complicates what should have been a happy time, instead we feel bereft, and grief at what we have lost, and are so sad that what we thought we would have, a GC who would know us, which is now seemingy no longer possible. Although your daughter is nearer, her behaviour seems strikingly similar to our daughter's, (who we now think must have some kind of MHP.) We have had to accept that we have no control over the situation, other than to start trying to start to live our lives as happily as we can here, without her, or our GC in it, and with no contact with our GC, which hurts us both deeply. Our D's behaviour, like your daughter's, is both thoughtless, and so destructive. Try to protect yourself. We do understand what you are experiencing, and sadly it appears to be all too common these days. Also, if you can, try to keep a diary, as that will help you to see things as they really are, not how your D (and others see them), which seem to me to sound like a distorted version of events. It helps later for you to read your thoughts on events, (even much later) and then you will see why you are justified to feel as hurt as you do. Try also to shield yourself from further hurt, by not paying too much attention when she is being mean. Your feelings are valid, and you have a right to be treated with respect. You should feel loved and appreciated. Remember, you have done nothing wrong, and that you are not alone. There are others out there likd you. We too are going through hurt and grief. Sending very best wishes. I hope things resolve themselves with time.

Casdon Sun 21-Jun-26 20:55:37

For me, both things would be issues Smileless2012, but I realise neither of us can expect others, including Annge, to see things the way we do, because all our relationships with our own daughters are different.

Smileless2012 Sun 21-Jun-26 20:43:33

Apologies; my post @ 20.41 is in response to Casdon.

Smileless2012 Sun 21-Jun-26 20:41:29

For me, Annge not offering to help isn't the issue here M0nica it's her D's subsequent behaviour which is all but ignoring her mother, the OP; telling tales to her brother and s.i.l. resulting in them cutting all contact with her and telling tales to the wider family.

I accept or course that we all have different relationships but for me, this type of behaviour is unacceptable.

Casdon Sun 21-Jun-26 20:03:55

TBF Smileless2012, Annge hadn’t said she was an ambulatory wheelchair user and couldn’t get around in her daughter’s house when I responded, and I made it very clear that I was saying what I would do, not telling her what she should do?

I’d pick it up from her voice and what she said if my daughter was exhausted, without her needing to spell it out to me, and offering to help in any way I could would be my immediate reaction - and if I didn’t, she would tell me, not her brother, it would go right over his head anyway. I’m not saying anybody else should do the same, which as I said, I made clear.

We all have different relationships - and I know you won’t like this, but I’d still ask, however unwell I was, just because I’m her mum.

JaneJudge Sun 21-Jun-26 19:54:15

I love Monica. I wish she'd give me a good talking to sometimes. Especially on a Monday morning when I don't want to go into work smile

M0nica Sun 21-Jun-26 19:52:00

I do have every sympathy for Anngeand having read the details oof her health situation think she should not be doing any babysitting or child care at all.

But sometimes it helps to use a shock jock approach to make someone sit up and think about the selfishness of the way they are being treated and have a good bout of righteous anger, instead of always blaming themselves.