Harry: "I want my Father back. I want my brother back"

It's exactly that, a business that relies on publicity to remain relevant and making a profit.

Most people would easily forget the royal family exists if they all lived in a perfect wonderful bubble.

Charles is King now and can no longer afford the negative publicity he courted when he was younger. Instead he must project the same image as his mother. Aloof and untouchable.

However the negative publicity is their bread and butter and has been for a long time so he and William will continue to ignore the awful things said by the press about their son and brother

I don’t understand the resentment at being the ‘spare’. I wouldn’t mind betting that William wouldn’t have minded being the spare, instead of having the weight of the future crown hanging over him.

And what about their GGFather? The Queen’s poor father was surely happy enough to be the ‘spare’ until his brother’s abdication forced him into a role he’d never wanted, and that made him a bag of nerves.

Has Harry ever watched The King’s Speech, I wonder?

PA has brought shame on himself and his family but at least has had the good sense to keep 'his head down'.

As you say Callistemon good father and son relationships are not dependent on whether or not the father works away from home.

I watched the episode of 'The Repair Shop' filmed before the Queen's death which featured two items in one of the RF's houses being repaired at Charles' request.

I'd always thought of Charles as rather aloof and was very surprised that he was the exact opposite.

I shouldn't think it will be easy for Charles and William to ignore the awful things Harry's said about them.

referring to a new born baby as a spare is pretty crass

I agree Jane but so is seeking to humiliate your family in public.

I agree. Referring to them both as heir and spare creates an enormous division and it would have been so much nicer to say "I have two lovely boys, my family is complete!"

But then Mr Tampon has never been that good with words.

Onwardandupward I don’t think we can completely absolve Diana from being to blame either. Who told Harry what Charles reputedly said? Diana also reputedly told Harry he would make a better king than William. William remembers handing his mother tissues through the door as she was sobbing in the bathroom. None of this is good for children. Did Diana try to score point off Charles in front of the children after the way she felt she was treated? It all got rather acrimonious between them I believe although isn’t she on record for saying Charles was a good father? Just not a good husband.

And yet there's no criticism of her is there Avalon and a lot of what went on wouldn't have been unnoticed by Harry either.

I thought Charles was supposed to have said something like ‘oh dear it’s another boy, and he’s even got red hair’. So was Charles disappointed or relieved? Only the people who were present know the answer to that one, and I very much doubt that Harry remembers it.

True, they were privy to a lot of things that were not good for them.

I don't suppose many mothers would like their children to know they were so upset, but perhaps it was overwhelming. A truly ugly situation to have developed, and entirely avoidable if he had been able to commit to his marriage, I suppose.

JaneJudge

referring to a new born baby as a spare is pretty crass

It's not unique to the RF.

The oldest inherits, the second goes in the Army, the third joins the clergy.
Are we seeing a trend here?

It's exactly that, a business that relies on publicity to remain relevant and making a profit

And we’re all helping with the publicity.

The upper classes treat their children differently, or they used to. A nanny from birth, then off to boarding school at 7 for most of them. No wonder they have trouble with their emotions and relationships.

Apart from one joining the clergy Callistemon.

Well I wont be buying the book which may help Mollygo.

Mollygo

And we’re all helping with the publicity.

Yes, we are.

Unfortunately TMI can mean someone sets themselves up as an Aunt Sally.

Mollygo

And we’re all helping with the publicity.

oh it doesn't need us, it has gone worldwide according to bbc and itv news

"Heir and Spare" was a term used, long before William and Harry were born. It was to ensure continuity of the monarchy.

I find the lot of them to be dysfunctional - few of them seem to be able to establish happy relationships for long.

Women, coming into the royal family, are basically expected to be obedient brood mares - while most of the royal men have had affairs.

Not a family I'd want to be involved with.😗

The one I consider to gave bought shame on everyone is Andrew - yet the family seem happy to brush that under the carpet, as long as he stays out of public view.

However, my mantra has always been that if anyone makes you unhappy (as Harry seems to think his family have), dating back years, then the best revenge is to live a happy life.

He's got a wife he obviously adores, two children he dotes on, and a lovely lifestyle.

He needs to carve out a happy successful time in the US, not keep festering on the past.

The past can't be changed - the future is what you choose to make it.😉

Mollygo

And we’re all helping with the publicity.

Yes but its not good publicity.

I will always admire the Queen and Princess Margaret as well as all Royals who in quiet dignity never put a foot wrong as far as we are aware.

However, my mantra has always been that if anyone makes you unhappy (as Harry seems to think his family have), dating back years, then the best revenge is to live a happy life.

He's got a wife he obviously adores, two children he dotes on, and a lovely lifestyle.

He needs to carve out a happy successful time in the US, not keep festering on the past.

The past can't be changed - the future is what you choose to make it 😉

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I listened to Pen Farthing this morning, another person who is so disappointed in H, actually the word idiot was used. He's had to to leave his charity again, but this time because some prat tried to be the big I am by boasting about his kill list. H is trampling over anyone for fame and fortune, which he whinged on and on about leaving behind.
Well done H. Those animals depend on guys like Pen, while you sit on royal backside moaning about how hard done by you are.

True Diamondlily, but I think Harry is damaged goods. The foolish remarks he made about his time in Afghanistan could now make him and his family potential targets for the future. Also his revelations about drug taking could also mean he might not get a USA passport. Engage brain, if you have one, before opening mouth.

Poor Pen.

Harry has probably shot himself in the foot in many ways, particularly if his American visa is revoked because of his drug taking.

Poor, stupid boy! He might have stood a chance of getting his father and brother back before he'd alienated them with his character assassinations and whingeing.But now? And with a war going on in Ukraine, people starving because of the cost of living, Covid and people dying because the NHS is under-funded, his moaning about having had a smaller bedroom than his brother when he went to Balmoral doesn't even figure on my radar.

"Damaged goods"

Oh how that expression hits me

I can only say "gross"