Father removes 9 yr old daughter from school over sex ed lessons

Don't worry Norah that's not happening

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DaisyAnneReturns

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

Perhaps the question we really should be asking is why some adults want pre-pubescent children to have detailed knowledge of a variety of sexual practices. And to be told that these are enjoyable.

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We're decidedly NOT interested in pre-pubescent children having detailed knowledge of any sexual practices. End of.

Voluntary ignorance is the worst type of ignorance

DaisyAnneReturns

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

Perhaps the question we really should be asking is why some adults want pre-pubescent children to have detailed knowledge of a variety of sexual practices. And to be told that these are enjoyable.

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Sorry that posted itself Dickens. Why the "bloody hurry" you ask. Why do you think secrecy is better?

Dickens

Norah

We had sex education lessons in school. I've no angst with age appropriate lessons about bodies, puberty, reproduction, consent, saying no - but I don't believe children need to learn about anal sex in school lessons.

We'd pull ours out of such lessons until their ages were appropriate. Parents can teach this themselves, they've lived it.

Musing over your comment, the thought occurred to me - what's the bloody hurry...

At age nine, a child has it's whole life ahead. A whole life to build relationships whether they be long-lasting or not, to 'experiment' (or not as the case may be), to learn and understand the nature of not only their own sexuality but that of others. I just feel it should be taken more slowly - a child should be allowed to absorb each step in the journey without having to rush into the next one. So to speak.

It's as if we have to cram their heads with as much knowledge as possible in the shortest time possible. And, again, this leads me back to the belief that sex education is being driven by our now overtly sexual culture - and pornography. Indirectly, of course. In order to protect them from what they might see at the press of a key on their smart phones, or what information and graphic illustrations that might appear on their screens sent by their more worldly school mates, we have to 'force-feed' them with information that they might not really be quite mature enough to appreciate or even understand. Some nine year olds - and older - are still at the stage where they think the opposite sex is a 'bore' or a PITA. I know of one child neighbour (nine or ten not sure) who, when asked if she had a 'boyfriend' rolled her eyes in exasperation and told us that 'boys' were just so "stupid". I don't think she's quite ready to absorb the area of anal or oral sex just yet. She's very much into her hobbies of horse-riding, puppy-rearing and ballet.

If she were my daughter, I'd want there to be a little pause in her sex education if it included such information. There should be no great rush. Plenty of time in the next couple of years to get to grips with it. No?

Most girls will enter puberty between 8 and 13 and most boys between 9 and 14.

Norah

We had sex education lessons in school. I've no angst with age appropriate lessons about bodies, puberty, reproduction, consent, saying no - but I don't believe children need to learn about anal sex in school lessons.

We'd pull ours out of such lessons until their ages were appropriate. Parents can teach this themselves, they've lived it.

Musing over your comment, the thought occurred to me - what's the bloody hurry...

At age nine, a child has it's whole life ahead. A whole life to build relationships whether they be long-lasting or not, to 'experiment' (or not as the case may be), to learn and understand the nature of not only their own sexuality but that of others. I just feel it should be taken more slowly - a child should be allowed to absorb each step in the journey without having to rush into the next one. So to speak.

It's as if we have to cram their heads with as much knowledge as possible in the shortest time possible. And, again, this leads me back to the belief that sex education is being driven by our now overtly sexual culture - and pornography. Indirectly, of course. In order to protect them from what they might see at the press of a key on their smart phones, or what information and graphic illustrations that might appear on their screens sent by their more worldly school mates, we have to 'force-feed' them with information that they might not really be quite mature enough to appreciate or even understand. Some nine year olds - and older - are still at the stage where they think the opposite sex is a 'bore' or a PITA. I know of one child neighbour (nine or ten not sure) who, when asked if she had a 'boyfriend' rolled her eyes in exasperation and told us that 'boys' were just so "stupid". I don't think she's quite ready to absorb the area of anal or oral sex just yet. She's very much into her hobbies of horse-riding, puppy-rearing and ballet.

If she were my daughter, I'd want there to be a little pause in her sex education if it included such information. There should be no great rush. Plenty of time in the next couple of years to get to grips with it. No?

This isn’t anything new.
Didn’t 100’s of Muslim parents complain about sex education in schools not that long ago? The homosexual side of it.
They were protesting outside the school & everything, I remember seeing it on the news.

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

Lol Dickens

I honestly remember very little SE at school - from what I can recall, it was more about starting your periods than anything else. The emphasis was on the biology side of it really, I think.

VioletSky

No I had it, I just don't remember much of it except putting a condom on a banana and everyone blowing up the free condoms on the bus

I believe they also made good water-bombs too.

I don't have the best long term memory

No I had it, I just don't remember much of it except putting a condom on a banana and everyone blowing up the free condoms on the bus

VioletSky

Secondary was 3 decades ago for me now and I don't remember sex education

But I do remember we watched a live play about HIV. It talked, well mostly sang, about safe sex and included positivity about different sexualities and different types of sex including anal and oral.

It's not a new thing

Secondary was 3 decades ago for me now and I don't remember sex education

Golly - do you mean you don't remember the education - or that it wasn't available?

My first sex-education lesson was in 1955. I assume other schools embarked on a similar programme - but I didn't question it.

However, prior to '52 the school had been boys-only and as we were going to be boarding cheek by jowl with them, maybe the school Governors considered it a good idea. I didn't talk to my mother about the lessons but I'm sure they were on the school prospectus so she would've been aware of them (and approved).

Of course, in the 50s the focus was very much on marriage and family-life, rather than on the individual. And I do remember some of it went over my head a bit - coming from a broken-family. But the anatomy lessons were useful and even though the illustrations were a bit 'stylised', they and the 'explanation' that went with them were good. As I said earlier, we were taught separately initially, and then together later, and I do remember having quite serious and intelligent conversations with some of the boys during our debating sessions afterwards - but they were mostly about the 'moral' aspects of sex. Of course, none of that would work now, and I know the school has adjusted its sex-education to meet the changing environment.

Do you feel you missed out by not having sex-education? Of course, the HIV play was probably a good idea - my son missed out on that aspect, but we had a lot of discussions at home on the subject - partly to counteract some of the more outlandish claims of how it could be spread.

Secondary was 3 decades ago for me now and I don't remember sex education

But I do remember we watched a live play about HIV. It talked, well mostly sang, about safe sex and included positivity about different sexualities and different types of sex including anal and oral.

It's not a new thing

We had sex education lessons in school. I've no angst with age appropriate lessons about bodies, puberty, reproduction, consent, saying no - but I don't believe children need to learn about anal sex in school lessons.

We'd pull ours out of such lessons until their ages were appropriate. Parents can teach this themselves, they've lived it.

VioletSky

Here is a far more balanced article that doesn't feature a minor and has views from other parents who support the school and claim they were informed about the impending lessons

www.suffolknews.co.uk/bury-st-edmunds/news/father-vows-to-remove-eight-year-old-daughter-from-school-ov-9319335/

Thank you VioletSky.

Ive asked for the extra picture to be deleted, could have been worse I suppose

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Actual comment I am referring too

Let's put aside those discussing being led by headlines and not being aware of actual ages certain lessons are presented... All just as available online as daft headlines

The first and most fundamental thing all schools teach is that children cannot give consent

Learning about consent by definition means learning who can and cannot give it. I can't say this strongly enough the meaning of learning about consent is learning what consent is and when it can and can't be given.

Children are taught how to stay safe online or in person long before they learn anything about sex itself.

Appropriate ages for certain ideas have been tailored towards ages children may be exposed to external information and ages children may start to experiment themselves. And yes we need to each children by a certain age that sex should not be uncomfortable or scary. But we should have already taught them consent long before this point.

It's all in the links I shared earlier and it's all very self explanatory

. . . the thoughts previously brought into this thread about education somehow enabling pedophilia is possibly the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on discussion of sex education.
Nobody said that sex education would enable paedophilia 🙄. People said that ‘making children understand what is enjoyable’ is a dangerous way to do it, which is a very different thing.

I'm glad this thread has become a bit more sensible and moved to actual facts about what is really taught and when to children from ages 4 to 16.

This man has moved his child out of school permanently in order to avoid what is coming, not what is happening now in Y4. (The simple labelling of body parts and impending changes in puberty)

Schools do a lot to protect and safeguard our children and the thoughts previously brought into this thread about education somehow enabling pedophilia is possibly the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on discussion of sex education.

I wish safeguarding and PSHE education had existed earlier because we all know the awful statistics on childhood sexual abuse and whatever work we can do to prevent it and save children from trauma is so massively important.

It's a balancing act for schools definitely to ensure children have the right information at the right times in the age of the internet and childhood curiosity being too easily satisfied from too many dangerous sources

However as a parent who has children ranging from adult to higher education and in secondary and primary... I've been pleased with increasing importance placed on safeguarding across all issues and that many schools work so hard in childrens best interests no matter how difficult the topic

Thank you for the article, VS.

Galaxy

The knee jerk reactions also come from whenever people see the Mail or even the times now (except when it suits their purpose of course) many of us are quite capable of being aware of some of these issues (womens groups have recently produced guidance which is being used in many schools because of some of the concerns of around sex education) without being influenced by the Mail.

Agreed. It’s irritating- particularly when dressed up as a superior understanding of the media and how they work. It really is just an attempt to control the agenda.

Perhaps a new thread is more appropriate about this topic than the current one.
Was thinking of starting one sometime. Not sure. You do it Doodledog?
No, you go ahead. I don’t want to misrepresent what you are thinking.

VS I don’t think anyone on here has objected to children learning about body parts, or suggested that children be taken out of classes about friendship or anything else on your list. There is a huge gap between that and a discussion of specific sexual acts though.

VioletSky

Here is a far more balanced article that doesn't feature a minor and has views from other parents who support the school and claim they were informed about the impending lessons

www.suffolknews.co.uk/bury-st-edmunds/news/father-vows-to-remove-eight-year-old-daughter-from-school-ov-9319335/

To add

How can it possibly be "disturbing" for a child to know what the parts of her own body are called?

Also it doesn't appear the daughter was disturbed... But now her name and face are all over the internet my concern would be bullying should she join social media in future