Father removes 9 yr old daughter from school over sex ed lessons

The ‘gutter press’ is anything other than the guardian.
Obviously.

The readers aren't all in the UK on the website, it's quite popular in the US and the paper sells 1.3 million on a Saturday which is its highest selling day

I guess that's a lot of people who think we live in "Broken Britain".

It has a high percentage of women reading too which is sad for a paper known to be incredibly misogynistic

I guess if you like something to get angry about, don't want all the facts and don't like progress it is a good choice

DaisyAnneReturns

If this has happened because the BBC programme was misused it seems entirely solvable. It would need following up with schools.

Personally, I would need to know that this was the case before I will believe that is what happened. It perhaps seems unfair, but I doubt I will ever believe something where the start of the story comes from the gutter press. I think these papers cause immense pain and devastation and we don't yet seem to have any actual proof.

The "gutter" press. You seem to be maligning 31.3 million people who read something that doesn't meet with your approval.

...and there is something taboo about imagining your parents being sexual beings.

Wearing a new top which showed a little cleavage when going out for the evening with my OH, my son (aged around 12) said, "you're not going out like that, are you?".

When I asked him what was wrong with the top, he said, well, you're my MUM! 🤣

kircubbin2000

We didn't have any sex education and I'm glad now that I'm not young and expected to do some of these things young people indulge in.
I didn't believe people actually did things like oral or anal sex until relatively recently.

Oh they did 😀.

There is lots of evidence from paintings (including graffiti) in Roman ruins, for example. And it was usual for Ancient Greeks to have women for procreation and boys for pleasure - the rich ones anyway. Also the use of the term ’French practices’ for oral and anal sex (both of which carried minimal risk of pregnancy) shows that people in both France and England partook, and there is no reason to believe that it didn’t happen elsewhere.

I don’t think that anything people do in bed is new. Each generation thinks they invented it, but that’s because it is new to them, and there is something taboo about imagining your parents being sexual beings.

DaisyAnneReturns

If this has happened because the BBC programme was misused it seems entirely solvable. It would need following up with schools.

Personally, I would need to know that this was the case before I will believe that is what happened. It perhaps seems unfair, but I doubt I will ever believe something where the start of the story comes from the gutter press. I think these papers cause immense pain and devastation and we don't yet seem to have any actual proof.

It perhaps seems unfair, but I doubt I will ever believe something where the start of the story comes from the gutter press. I think these papers cause immense pain and devastation and we don't yet seem to have any actual proof.

The tabloid landscape is choc-a-block with sexualised imagery, particularly the celebrity sections - replete with an assortment of stars (usually female) flaunting this, that or the other toned bit of their anatomy, so it's a tad hypocritical of them to adopt the position of moral vanguard for our children's welfare.

But they're not going to let the opportunity - to further criticise either the teaching profession or the NHS - slip by.

Another slant on this one. Where I live we had a father like this who clamped down on so many things with his children. Turned out he was the biggest 'casanova' going with absolutely no conscience where adult relationships were concerned! Just saying!

If this has happened because the BBC programme was misused it seems entirely solvable. It would need following up with schools.

Personally, I would need to know that this was the case before I will believe that is what happened. It perhaps seems unfair, but I doubt I will ever believe something where the start of the story comes from the gutter press. I think these papers cause immense pain and devastation and we don't yet seem to have any actual proof.

DaisyAnneReturns

Sorry that posted itself Dickens. Why the "bloody hurry" you ask. Why do you think secrecy is better?

Questioning the speed at which we feed the lexicon of sexual activity into children is not advocating "secrecy" - that's entirely your interpretation.

Given that there has always been a need to educate children about sex, I'm not arguing with the premise, I'm simply questioning the necessity to introduce them to specific acts that not all will be ready to assimilate at a young age - bearing in mind that children develop at different levels.

So the school in the DM has confirmed that they use Bitesize for Primary pupils even though it was designed for senior pupils? Can you tell me where to find that statement?

Good to hear the BBC has removed it.

DaisyAnneReturns

Callistemon21

Doodledog

I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.
That makes perfect sense to me, and I am very much in favour of talking about bodies and how they change, as well as why and how it feels. I also agree that this should happen before the changes start to happen to the children.

But I don’t think that sexual acts need to be discussed in any detail at that age.

I don't think the curriculum includes sexual acts at primary level.
Perhaps problems have arisen because schools are at liberty to teach more than the curriculum requires and some of the source materials, eg BBC Bitesize, have been far more explicit than has been set out in Government guidelines.

So do we know, Callistemon that this is the case (Bitesize) of the school excoriated in the Daily Mail?

Yes.

It was not designed for primary pupils either, it was part of Bitesize for a GCSE course which the school decided to use.

The BBC confirmed that they have removed it from their site.

Thankfully my dad did explain menstruation to me as my mother would not

Callistemon21

Doodledog

I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.
That makes perfect sense to me, and I am very much in favour of talking about bodies and how they change, as well as why and how it feels. I also agree that this should happen before the changes start to happen to the children.

But I don’t think that sexual acts need to be discussed in any detail at that age.

I don't think the curriculum includes sexual acts at primary level.
Perhaps problems have arisen because schools are at liberty to teach more than the curriculum requires and some of the source materials, eg BBC Bitesize, have been far more explicit than has been set out in Government guidelines.

So do we know, Callistemon that this is the case (Bitesize) of the school excoriated in the Daily Mail?

No it doesn't happen in primary but it's information children need to know before reaching 16

This dad pulled his child out of school because she was learning the names for the different parts of male and female genitalia...

What on earth he would do when she starts a period or has a medical concern with any part of that anatomy I don't know

Calling it a flower or a mini or any of the silly nonsense names I hear just won't cut it...

Norah

Doodledog

I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.
That makes perfect sense to me, and I am very much in favour of talking about bodies and how they change, as well as why and how it feels. I also agree that this should happen before the changes start to happen to the children.

But I don’t think that sexual acts need to be discussed in any detail at that age.

Precisely.

Education to ones own impending body changes is good.

Sexual act discussions can wait.

I keep asking but here we go again. Please could you point me the evidence of where this is happening.

No evidence has been produced so far.

Doodledog

*I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.*
That makes perfect sense to me, and I am very much in favour of talking about bodies and how they change, as well as why and how it feels. I also agree that this should happen before the changes start to happen to the children.

But I don’t think that sexual acts need to be discussed in any detail at that age.

I don't think the curriculum includes sexual acts at primary level.
Perhaps problems have arisen because schools are at liberty to teach more than the curriculum requires and some of the source materials, eg BBC Bitesize, have been far more explicit than has been set out in Government guidelines.

Doodledog

*I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.*
That makes perfect sense to me, and I am very much in favour of talking about bodies and how they change, as well as why and how it feels. I also agree that this should happen before the changes start to happen to the children.

But I don’t think that sexual acts need to be discussed in any detail at that age.

Precisely.

Education to ones own impending body changes is good.

Sexual act discussions can wait.

We didn't have any sex education and I'm glad now that I'm not young and expected to do some of these things young people indulge in.
I didn't believe people actually did things like oral or anal sex until relatively recently.

I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.
That makes perfect sense to me, and I am very much in favour of talking about bodies and how they change, as well as why and how it feels. I also agree that this should happen before the changes start to happen to the children.

But I don’t think that sexual acts need to be discussed in any detail at that age.

I believe the thinking is that it is better to explain as much as possible before puberty strikes because the children will be less embarrassed if they don't feel it's something that is already affecting them.

We didn't have any sex education in my school in the late 50s except for rabbits in Biology. When my friend and I were 16 we had to buy a book intended for engaged couples to find out any details about what actually happened. Up till then we'd had no idea what our boyfriends were on about and we were really very lucky not to end up pregnant.

Where is your evidence Lathyrus

So far we have seen none, but we have seen the actual curriculum. I would really appreciate some facts to back what seems to be misplaced outrage.

Didn't parents have their children taken away years ago because news papers, based on no facts, stirred up outrage?

And trying to make schools or their staff look the way you have been trying on this thread won't alter facts

It's not though, not in PSHE in Y4 in primary schools

VioletSky

Voluntary ignorance is the worst type of ignorance

I agree.

That would be “Dont worry, that’s not happening.”

Lathyrus

DaisyAnneReturns

Two father's, no doubt with the best of intentions, want to keep biological knowledge from their eight year old daughters.

I do wonder if they understand the biology themselves.

Perhaps the question we really should be asking is why some adults want pre-pubescent children to have detailed knowledge of a variety of sexual practices. And to be told that these are enjoyable.

🤔

That is a dubious interpretation of the curriculum Lathyrus. Where is there any proof that this is what is happening?