UK are first in Europe with Over 150,000 deaths

It is awful that 150,000 people have died, whether they were ill, old or otherwise. So many grieving families.

“Endemic” does NOT mean “harmless”.

No, it doesn't and I do think that people understand that. Flu is endemic, flu viruses mutate and although many die from flu every year we've had to learn to live with them.

The hope is that, with many people vaccinated and others gaining a certain amount of immunity from having had Covid, we will reach the stage where we have to get back to some kind of normal even though we may have to adapt our behaviour.

It was normal at one time to board a plane without all the security checks we have now, to carry a drink with you etc but we have adapted and accept all the new security as normal.

I agree, Calistemon

Good post Calistemon

The flaw is that, even if everybody who can be is vaccinated, there will still be some people who are more vulnerable to serious illness. Unless there are some mitigations (such as mask wearing, air filtration systems in places such as schools and distance keeping), "getting back to normal" inevitably means that a percentage of vulnerable people will die prematurely. I'm not talking about lockdowns, but respect for other people.

PS. The total mortality for influenza and pneumonia in England and Wales was 29,516 in 2018 and 26,398 in 2019, so Covid has proved itself to be about 3 times more deadly. We don't yet know what the long term effects of Long Covid and other organ damage will be.

growstuff

PS. The total mortality for influenza and pneumonia in England and Wales was 29,516 in 2018 and 26,398 in 2019, so Covid has proved itself to be about 3 times more deadly. We don't yet know what the long term effects of Long Covid and other organ damage will be.

Careful growstuff, dangerous territory that. I was thoroughly castigated for posting a thread on that topic.

Ah well Johnson is always on about being world beating in various areas and this is one of them.

Careful growstuff, dangerous territory that. I was thoroughly castigated for posting a thread on that topic.

I wouldn't worry growstuff. I don't suppose you're about to start quoting computer scientists with no medical knowledge as though they were epidemiologists.

Haven't read the thread but am thinking the raw number of 150,000 doesn't mean anything out of context which is how it is presented in the OP. What proportion of population is it? And how does that compare with other countries? Just for starters.

Whitewavemark2

Only countries with a much larger population than the U.K. like India, Russia, Brazil the USA and Peru have also passed that number.

How on earth can anyone argue that this government has done well?

Because of proportionality, perhaps.

Plus median age of population.

So 15 countries in Europe, including Italy and Belgium, that have worse per capita death rates than the UK. Yes we have far too many deaths, many that may have been preventable, but why do some sections like to paint the UK as the worst when we aren't?

I don’t know rosie it’s very strange isn’t it? That some are almost eager and pleased to exaggerate numbers and say ‘we are the worst, blah blah’ especially when the UK is not!
Agents provocateurs?

Baggs

Whitewavemark2

Only countries with a much larger population than the U.K. like India, Russia, Brazil the USA and Peru have also passed that number.

How on earth can anyone argue that this government has done well?

Because of proportionality, perhaps.

Dependent too on whether or not the reporting of statistics is consistent worldwide.

Many countries, including European ones, have a higher proportion of deaths per million of population than the UK.

None of this is good, of course, but stating figures without relevance to other factors is meaningless.

MaizieD

growstuff

PS. The total mortality for influenza and pneumonia in England and Wales was 29,516 in 2018 and 26,398 in 2019, so Covid has proved itself to be about 3 times more deadly. We don't yet know what the long term effects of Long Covid and other organ damage will be.

Careful growstuff, dangerous territory that. I was thoroughly castigated for posting a thread on that topic.

Why? The numbers are from official sources and it's true that nobody knows the full effects will be. Covid attacks many organs in the body and there's already evidence of permanent hearing and sight loss in some people. There's also evidence of pancreas damage, which is causing new cases of diabetes.

The above needs to be planned for. The long term effects are likely to be far more serious than influenza.

lemongrove

I don’t know rosie it’s very strange isn’t it? That some are almost eager and pleased to exaggerate numbers and say ‘we are the worst, blah blah’ especially when the UK is not!
Agents provocateurs?

Not at all, but I'd like to see some forward planning to deal with the people who have and will be affected.

Alegrias1

^Careful growstuff, dangerous territory that. I was thoroughly castigated for posting a thread on that topic.^

I wouldn't worry growstuff. I don't suppose you're about to start quoting computer scientists with no medical knowledge as though they were epidemiologists.

No, just some statistics.

Behind every number, there is a person and a family

Sad fact of life is we will learn to live with CV19.

I can’t see people living like this for much longer.

Life will go on, it has to. We will adapt

I've always been at a loss what "learning to live with Covid" means. So far, most people have learnt to live with Covid, so what's new?

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Dr Phillip Lee
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>150,000 dead. Often lonely deaths separated from loved ones. …………And also remember that if we had Japan’s #COVID19 death rate there would be <10,000 UK deaths. Think about that when you next vote

And does former Tory MP and Justice Minister Phillip Lee say how Japan have achieved that?

I’d certainly like to know how it was achieved by Japan.

Lots of raw fish?