Second wave sweeping Europe?

Saw a photo today of an airport in Greece absolutely packed solid with British tourists returning to UK after half term- unbelievable. And they won't have to self isolate, will they?

growstuff

rosecarmel

We aren't long for this world even in the best of times so during the worst of times some people choose to preserve life and comply while others choose to live as they see fit with a sense of entitlement- Some will survive and some will die, both as a direct result of someone else's decision- We are not only trying to protect ourselves from a virus, we are also protecting ourselves from each other-

I can't look at China, the geographical land, without being awed by its beauty- But I also can't look at its populace without seeing its ages old ignorance in play-

The only solution is a global embargo and travel ban against them until their gonvernment, as a whole, is willing to comply and be held accountable- And the only way that could happen would be for every other country to hold themselves accountable for agreeing to do shady business with them to begin with-

It would be wise for all other countries to embargo the US, as it's the country with just about the worst record.

To repeat:

And the only way that could happen would be for every other country to hold themselves accountable for agreeing to do shady business with them to begin with-

JenniferEccles

Meanwhile the Mail on Sunday has revealed that NHS staff are to be given the covid vaccine before Christmas !

The game changer we have been waiting for!

Frontline NHS staff could receive Covid-19 jabs within weeks under plans being drawn up to speed out the rollout of a vaccine.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-vaccine-nhs-staff-england-oxford-b1295880.html

Please note the use of the word "could" not "will".

rosecarmel

We aren't long for this world even in the best of times so during the worst of times some people choose to preserve life and comply while others choose to live as they see fit with a sense of entitlement- Some will survive and some will die, both as a direct result of someone else's decision- We are not only trying to protect ourselves from a virus, we are also protecting ourselves from each other-

I can't look at China, the geographical land, without being awed by its beauty- But I also can't look at its populace without seeing its ages old ignorance in play-

The only solution is a global embargo and travel ban against them until their gonvernment, as a whole, is willing to comply and be held accountable- And the only way that could happen would be for every other country to hold themselves accountable for agreeing to do shady business with them to begin with-

It would be wise for all other countries to embargo the US, as it's the country with just about the worst record.

petra

Gagajo
locking down too late the first time
The Czech Republic locked down on the same day as us. Not just a lockdown but a curfew and borders closed.
Look at them now, one of the highest rates. It didn't work, did it.

No, it hasn't got one of the highest rates. Which figures are you using?

Rosecarmel
I couldn't agree more Re an embargo.
I've also been to china and agree that some parts are truly stunning.

JenniferEccles

Meanwhile the Mail on Sunday has revealed that NHS staff are to be given the covid vaccine before Christmas !

The game changer we have been waiting for!

I agree. And I am delighted for them. To be able to go to work everyday without fearing for their lives is great.

Gagajo
locking down too late the first time
The Czech Republic locked down on the same day as us. Not just a lockdown but a curfew and borders closed.
Look at them now, one of the highest rates. It didn't work, did it.

We aren't long for this world even in the best of times so during the worst of times some people choose to preserve life and comply while others choose to live as they see fit with a sense of entitlement- Some will survive and some will die, both as a direct result of someone else's decision- We are not only trying to protect ourselves from a virus, we are also protecting ourselves from each other-

I can't look at China, the geographical land, without being awed by its beauty- But I also can't look at its populace without seeing its ages old ignorance in play-

The only solution is a global embargo and travel ban against them until their gonvernment, as a whole, is willing to comply and be held accountable- And the only way that could happen would be for every other country to hold themselves accountable for agreeing to do shady business with them to begin with-

Meanwhile the Mail on Sunday has revealed that NHS staff are to be given the covid vaccine before Christmas !

The game changer we have been waiting for!

Added to that, The Netherlands - small country, very large number of cases.

Thank you MawB for sharing that information.
No country in Europe is doing well ( or anywhere else) no matter what they do.

sharon103
Boris can't be blamed for ignorant people. I agree. BUT he can be blamed for:

* Locking down too late the first time.

* Wasting the 2 months notice we had and not preparing.

*For giving contracts to friends instead of using the expert NHS services we already have.

*For allowing his SPAD to publicly and very visibly to break the lockdown with zero consequences and therefore encourage others to do the same.

*To fail to support those who are out of work due to Covid.

*For opening schools and universities leading to a 2nd wave of infection.

Just because China is an authoritarian state doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t look at aspects of their lifestyle that are helping to control the virus.

It seems the latest analysis was on 9th October.

Here's the link:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending9october2020

I don't have time to read it properly and we know that the rate of deaths has increased significantly over the last two weeks.

The ONS data was updated on Thursday I think.

According to my diary, week 44 starts tomorrow. I shared the graph for information. Perhaps the ONS will update their information soon. It was posted on Twitter originally.

Alegrias2

Just to add to what growstuff said, and maybe add a bit more detail:

Obviously it shows the peak in excess deaths in the spring of this year. It also shows that from week 37 to week 40, we were running at the high end of the average of the last five years.

Unfortunately it stops at week 40 and we are in week 43 now, so it doesn't show any of the recent increases in deaths, for the last 3 weeks. Obviously that also means that the impact of the latest rise in cases isn't being shown yet.

What do you think it shows *Namsnanny and Ashcombe?*

I wondered that too, but was too lazy to work out which week we're actually in now.

Deaths were increasing exponentially for a couple of weeks. I think the rise has levelled slightly, but we're still seeing exponential growth. There's not a lot that can be done about the people who are already infected, including those currently hospitalised, so that curve might start rising steeply again. In fact, I think it will, but I'm a bit busy and don't have the time to look back on historical ONS stats.

There's plenty could be done NOW to stop more people being infected and reaching the dizzy heights of spring/early summer.

EllanVannin

Do we know the real figure of those who actually died from the virus, Growstuff ? Perhaps you can tell us.

No, I can't.

Do we know the real figure of those who actually died from the virus, Growstuff ? Perhaps you can tell us.

Just to add to what growstuff said, and maybe add a bit more detail:

Obviously it shows the peak in excess deaths in the spring of this year. It also shows that from week 37 to week 40, we were running at the high end of the average of the last five years.

Unfortunately it stops at week 40 and we are in week 43 now, so it doesn't show any of the recent increases in deaths, for the last 3 weeks. Obviously that also means that the impact of the latest rise in cases isn't being shown yet.

What do you think it shows Namsnanny and Ashcombe?

I don't really get why you think it's interesting. It's what I would expect. Am I missing something?

Ah! I see it's all ages. It shows that there was a huge peak, which I expect were Covid deaths, and that deaths are beginning to rise above yearly averages again. That's what I would expect from all the figures.

We know that up to now the second wave is affecting mainly 10-24 year olds, so I would expect the mortality rate to be lower than it was in the spring/late summer, so trying to prevent it spreading to more vulnerable people is crucial.

growstuff

Namsnanny

growstuff ... what do you think of *Ashcombes graph?

It doesn't have a key, so I'm not sure what it's showing.

The key runs along the bottom of the graph. The lines are in different colours for each year. The 2020 statistics are in red.

Namsnanny

growstuff ... what do you think of *Ashcombes graph?

It doesn't have a key, so I'm not sure what it's showing.