Nicola Sturgeon

Oreo

LemonJam

Oreo

Well that’s just you Lemonjam isn’t it?Your first paragraph that is.
I’ve never treated any politicians like gods either come to that, but the adoring Sturgeon fans in Scotland have in the past, every thing she did or said were greeted with rapture.
She certainly tried her best to give the impression that Scotland would collapse is she and DH weren’t a the helm.

Yes my post, was my view Oreo, which is usually the case for all posters 😊. You and I both have never treated politicians as gods and I doubt many do.

Nicola Sturgeon was in fact a highly polarising figure, fiercely adored by supporters but also strongly opposed by her critics. Not usual in politics.

When she resigned as SNP leader early 2023 she said it was the right time for her to go, the right time for the SNP party and the right time for country to her to resign. She said she was 'burned out and a new leader with fresh energy was needed'.

Political commentators may have suggested her resignation might lead to instability or throw SNP into disarray but it certainly wasn't Sturgeon who said that or gave that impression.

You seemingly don't like her, as many didn't/still don't- she was/is highly polarising. But I still think the person accountability for his embezzlement criminality is Burrell not Sturgeon.

Of course our opinions are our own but you seemed to suggest that as you personally didn’t almost deify Sturgeon and DH that nobody probably would.
I neither like or dislike her on a personal level but disliked her as a politician very much.Whilst saying constantly how the SNP was the only Party who could manage things there, and usually failing on that in most areas she managed to twist and turn the failures in a breathtaking way so it appeared they were doing really well.
Putting herself in front of the cameras on tv every day during the pandemic years even when there was nothing much to say was a masterpiece of Eva Peron style crowd control. She was very divisive around the independence referendums which caused a heap of trouble in many places there, neighbour against neighbour and if she’d got independence what a hash the SNP would have made of it.
Btw I agree that Burrell is accountable for embezzlement but it was only right that Sturgeon was quizzed about it as well.

I'm not sure how you personally define deification of a political and simply stand by my comment "Nicola Sturgeon was in fact a highly polarising figure, fiercely adored by supporters but also strongly opposed by her critics. Not usual in politics".

Everything else you say in your post demonstrates your view and thus how polarising she was.

We're in agreement at least that Burrell is accountable for his embezzlement criminality and that it was right Sturgeon was also subjected to police investigation also.

Clearly the police investigation did not find evidence to charge Sturgeon with embezzlement or any other criminal wrong doing. Thats is, it was also an available option to the Police Scotland to charge her with Misconduct in Public Office if they found evidence of that as they pored over SNP accounts and their management.

Interesting and informed post LemonJam. Obviously you are well versed in the law.

SueDonim 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Oh, cry me a river, Nicky. I agree she didn’t commit the crimes but she threw obstacles in the way of her husband’s behaviour being exposed, and let’s remember, this embezzlement wasn’t a one-off impulse, he went on a twelve year spending spree.

Not only SNP members lost money in this - and some of those would have been low-income donors - but the costs of the investigation have racked up to £2million, which we, the ordinary tax payer, have borne.

If Sturgeon couldn’t see what was going on under her nose, it’s difficult to believe how she had the nous to run a country.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I don’t feel sorry for her. I do however feel sorry for all the people who donated their hard earned money to the SNP coffers for Murrell to help himself to!

Also

If she had nothing to hide why all the “No Comment” when questioned by Police Scotland eh?

Oh for goodness sake! I understand Sturgeon on the advice of her solicitor gave a written statement to the police setting out her position. Specifically saying "no comment" to any police questions is a legal right. In the eyes of the law it is for the police to find evidence sufficient to prosecute NOT for defendants to prove innocence.

On arrival at a police station to represent Sturgeon, her solictor would have had, as always a "disclosure" meeting with the police officer who then conducted the interview. In that disclosure meeting the police officer would have outlined the line of enquiry, actual or potential charge, and any evidence the police had in their possession relating to any criminal embezzlement criminality.

Evidence can typically range from bank account, CCTV, texts, emails, end of year budget reports, etc etc of alleged offence.

Cases do not go to trial unless there is a likely prospect of success, as supported by the evidence gathered in the police investigation.

The solicitor then reflects of the strength of the police evidence and then has a private consultation with their client before police interview. If the evidence is weak in respect of your client- a solicitor would often advise their client to provide a written statement along the lines of "I N Sturgeon, have no knowledge of any embezzled funds and have not been party to any embezzlement. I also have no knowledge of the individual/s who may be involved in the embezzlement of SNP funds. I fully cooperate in the police investigation and am willing to co-operate further as the investigation continues. I sign this statement as true to the best of my knowledge". They then hand the statemnt to the police interviewer at the start of the interview on record. The legal advice in such circumstance is to say 'no comment' to any particular, further questions and the solicitor may also say something along the lines- "all the knowledge my Client has about this matter is included in her written statement. I also understand that Sturgeon sent a further, detailed written statement to the police after her interview - well that's my understanding what she said on LK show this morning.

Sturgeon did, in fact, fully and appropriately co-operate with Police Scotland.

Sorry, Murrell yes, I was copying Lemonjam 😂

Spinnaker

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Scottish equivalent to "It didn't cross my desk".

Spot on 😄

And if it did cross my desk it must have been hidden under my cheese and pickle sandwich.

Incidentally, she didn’t want to resign at all, nor was she burned out but hard questions were being asked just then about the hole in SNP finances and she could see which way the wind was blowing.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Scottish equivalent to "It didn't cross my desk".

Spot on 😄

LemonJam

Oreo

Well that’s just you Lemonjam isn’t it?Your first paragraph that is.
I’ve never treated any politicians like gods either come to that, but the adoring Sturgeon fans in Scotland have in the past, every thing she did or said were greeted with rapture.
She certainly tried her best to give the impression that Scotland would collapse is she and DH weren’t a the helm.

Yes my post, was my view Oreo, which is usually the case for all posters 😊. You and I both have never treated politicians as gods and I doubt many do.

Nicola Sturgeon was in fact a highly polarising figure, fiercely adored by supporters but also strongly opposed by her critics. Not usual in politics.

When she resigned as SNP leader early 2023 she said it was the right time for her to go, the right time for the SNP party and the right time for country to her to resign. She said she was 'burned out and a new leader with fresh energy was needed'.

Political commentators may have suggested her resignation might lead to instability or throw SNP into disarray but it certainly wasn't Sturgeon who said that or gave that impression.

You seemingly don't like her, as many didn't/still don't- she was/is highly polarising. But I still think the person accountability for his embezzlement criminality is Burrell not Sturgeon.

Of course our opinions are our own but you seemed to suggest that as you personally didn’t almost deify Sturgeon and DH that nobody probably would.
I neither like or dislike her on a personal level but disliked her as a politician very much.Whilst saying constantly how the SNP was the only Party who could manage things there, and usually failing on that in most areas she managed to twist and turn the failures in a breathtaking way so it appeared they were doing really well.
Putting herself in front of the cameras on tv every day during the pandemic years even when there was nothing much to say was a masterpiece of Eva Peron style crowd control. She was very divisive around the independence referendums which caused a heap of trouble in many places there, neighbour against neighbour and if she’d got independence what a hash the SNP would have made of it.
Btw I agree that Burrell is accountable for embezzlement but it was only right that Sturgeon was quizzed about it as well.

nanna8

I reckon she looked creepy. Especially at the coronation.

Maybe she was aiming to steal back the Stone of Scone!

( Yes I know it’s in Perth museum, but is temporarily taken to Westminster Abbey for the coronation)

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I don’t feel sorry for her. I do however feel sorry for all the people who donated their hard earned money to the SNP coffers for Murrell to help himself to!

Also

If she had nothing to hide why all the “No Comment” when questioned by Police Scotland eh?

Nicola's expression when LK suggested she make recompense to those who had donated money to the SNP!

You have to wonder if she’s being truthful just how much time they spent together. If we had numerous expensive coffee machines I’d certainly ask why and where did they all come from. He certainly seemed to buy a lot. I read today some things were delivered to her sister …. Presents perhaps? Who knows. They all had expensive tastes for sure.

I was beginning to believe her on the interview this morning until she stared dodging LK's questions of SNP finances.

Do think Nicola would have been better off going away somewhere quiet and not commenting.

Scottish equivalent to "It didn't cross my desk".

I reckon she looked creepy. Especially at the coronation.

Murrell not Burrell. Murrell is Nicola Sturgeons husband. Burrell was Princess Diana’s butler.

Oreo

Well that’s just you Lemonjam isn’t it?Your first paragraph that is.
I’ve never treated any politicians like gods either come to that, but the adoring Sturgeon fans in Scotland have in the past, every thing she did or said were greeted with rapture.
She certainly tried her best to give the impression that Scotland would collapse is she and DH weren’t a the helm.

Yes my post, was my view Oreo, which is usually the case for all posters 😊. You and I both have never treated politicians as gods and I doubt many do.

Nicola Sturgeon was in fact a highly polarising figure, fiercely adored by supporters but also strongly opposed by her critics. Not usual in politics.

When she resigned as SNP leader early 2023 she said it was the right time for her to go, the right time for the SNP party and the right time for country to her to resign. She said she was 'burned out and a new leader with fresh energy was needed'.

Political commentators may have suggested her resignation might lead to instability or throw SNP into disarray but it certainly wasn't Sturgeon who said that or gave that impression.

You seemingly don't like her, as many didn't/still don't- she was/is highly polarising. But I still think the person accountability for his embezzlement criminality is Burrell not Sturgeon.

I think possibly Nicola Sturgeon didn’t know what was going on . However at the end of the line she is responsible as leader. As a manager I had to sign many invoices off , I scrutinised each one as the buck stopped with me .

The faster the truth emerges the better.

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with any of that Luckygirl from all the comments on this thread.

She can be held to account for how she managed or did not expertly manage the SNP budget deficits ( she is not an accountant and was a busy political leader- can you imagine Boris Johnson poring over budgets?) but should not be held to account for her husband's criminality. They are 2 separate things. - this from Lemonjam sums it up really.

Oh I agree. Let the truth emerge. If she had been the one charged would we be looking at her husband? - ditto from keepingquiet.

I don’t feel sorry for her. I do however feel sorry for all the people who donated their hard earned money to the SNP coffers for Murrell to help himself to!

Also

If she had nothing to hide why all the “No Comment” when questioned by Police Scotland eh?

At not a
Phone playing up.

He shouldn't have been allowed to be treasurer when his wife was leader of SNP. I hear she was advised not to. I suppose he might write a book (he has enough pens) and implicate her at some point. I've always thought he looked a bit creepy. But could he be trusted to be truthful and how vindictive might he be. I've never taken to her either but maybe that's unfair...just not sure.