A famous matador gored by bull!

Haven’t read the whole thread —Did the bull die ?

I agree, Doodledog
Surely we are better than this?

Agree an unpleasant thread.

I agree Doodledog. What a horrible thread.

Bullfighting is abhorrent, but gloating over horrific injuries is equally so, IMO.

I would ban bullfighting - even prosecute matadors for cruelty - but I can't help thinking that there is little difference between enjoying watching a bull tormented and being pleased when the same happens to a man. Both appeal to very base instincts.

The bull might have got his revenge but he then paid the ultimate penalty.

Well hopefully he’s wishing he never started Elegran
I wonder if you’d all be so empathic if he had been maiming and killing people !! Now there’s a thought

Although I abhor bull-fighting but cannot revel in this like some, the bull does sound as if he knew exactly what he was doing, by the position of the injury.

Apparently the celebrated retired matador was gored minutes after stepping into the ring. He was at his first appearance after making a come-back, so perhaps he was out of practice and not dodging as nimbly as he used to.

He will be wishing he had stayed retired!

I thought it was in Portugal?

A medieval 'entertainment'. Revolting, in a country with so much art and culture to be proud of too! This must be abbhorent to most of the poputation of Spain surely?

I agree BlueBelle and if I'm disgraceful because I have no sympathy for the Matador; so be it.

HA HA HA! The bull did a brilliant job!

Rafiachain you say I agree it should be banned Basgetti but does that excuse people saying good and putting emojis. Why rejoice in it. A man will never be the same again

I for one am glad the man will never be the same again that’s the risk he took and this time he lost how many bulls has he tormented, hurt and killed in his ‘career’ The bull had no choice. Perhaps there’s a tiny chance it might make someone else think and withdraw from this cruelest of cruel spectaculars IT IS NOT A SPORT, a sport is equal in nature
I cannot believe people go to watch an animal be goaded, stabbed and killed in the vilest of ways and anyone who defends this cruel spectacle is as bad as the matador because without supporters it would not exist.

Rosie51

Basgetti yes we know the matador knew the risks, so does a mountain climber, sky diver, or racing driver. I recognise none of those involve animal cruelty but would you dismiss serious injury or death to any of them with "they knew the risks"? If not why not? Does the animal cruelty aspect absolve everyone of common human decency?

The difference is that none of those activities you mention involve deliberately inflicting cruelty on another being. So no, I have no sympathy whatsoever for matadors injured or killed in pursuit of their barbaric 'sport'. If someone tortured an animal in a similar way in this country, would people brush it aside as just 'tradition'?

It’s a hideous barbaric way to treat any. Rearuee. It should bebsnned

Saying he knew the risks means you can celebrate his pain? Basgetti

Do you apply that to all sports or other walks of life?

Its a cultural thing, a spectacle watched by many, that should be stopped. How can anyone watch it? The Matadors know the risks and that Matador so badly damaged, is someone's son who is now paying the price. The poor bull had no chance.

Macaydia

Why are matadors always male?

There are female matadors, but they struggle to get the recognition their male counterparts have.

“Death in the Afternoon” by Ernest Hemingway is a forensic study of the culture of bullfighting. Fascinating as well as horrifying in many ways. Worth a read if you’re interested in other cultures rather than just dismissing them for being different from ours.

Is this the incident where he was unloading the bulls ahead of the "fight"?

Basgetti yes we know the matador knew the risks, so does a mountain climber, sky diver, or racing driver. I recognise none of those involve animal cruelty but would you dismiss serious injury or death to any of them with "they knew the risks"? If not why not? Does the animal cruelty aspect absolve everyone of common human decency?

Why are matadors always male?

I deplore bull fighting.
However I am with rafichagran and Rosie. We all know the bull had no choice but the matador did ! That is no reason to revel in such a serious injury !!!! Rejoicing in the matadors pain is disgraceful.

rafichagran

I agree it should be banned Basgetti but does that excuse people saying good and putting emojis. Why rejoice in it. A man will never be the same again.

He knew the risks.