The reform party has agreed to continue the triple lock

I will vote for them anyway. I am not going to justify myself on this forum, sufficient to say I hope they can bring the change needed to this country, stopping illegal immigration and taking the UK out of the EU properly. I do not wish to have a great leftie pile on please.

We are voting for our local council.

I will be voting for one party for the City Council who empty the bins etc. and for a different party for the County Council who deal with Highways, social care etc.
I choose the person who I feel will be best for the job. In my case both have been working hard for the past few years and should be allowed to continue. Neither are Reform candidates.

These elections will have no bearing on immigration, pensions and other national government issues.

Cossy 10.37 I agree with this.
And I would also like to know what appeals to voters who are considering voting for Reform, apart from the usual thorny issue of excessive immigration. What else appeals to them?

Granatlast007
Well said Falling Star, I'm so heartened by the majority opinion on this thread. Reform are a bunch of corrupt, racist, misogynist, opportunist crooks. No way would they get my vote.

Reform will never get my vote either, but I take exception to your choice of adjectives to describe them: corrupt, racist, misogynistic are words used far too easily by GN posters, and I am surprised that the Moderators have not removed this post.

A slight digression but State Pension related with possible implications at local government level were Reform to gain control.

A recent Spectator article by Michael Simmons criticised poor families who claim Universal Credit for being able to by tickets for cultural and leisure activities at discounted prices. Robert Jenrick immediately jumped on the bandwagon and said Reform would put a stop this.

The £1 tickets that Simmons was complaining about are also available to those receiving Pension Credit but Jenrick was silent on that, only complaining about families receiving UC.

I doubt Reform would be able to do what he claims as many of these organisations are charities. It is a decision for the trustees and management whether to offer discounted tickets. I co-run a charity which puts on weekly ticketed events. We offer discounted tickets to people on low incomes. I would like to see Reform try to stop us.

However, local sports and leisure facilities, museums, local theatres etc are often run by the local council. Ours are and offer discounted tickets to a variety of people including UC and Pension Credit recipients.

I intend to ask the local Reform candidate what the party policy is regarding this.

Hopefully, we will never see a Reform government in Westminster but now that Jenrick has spoken out on this, it could happen that local councils coming under Reform control could start to impose measures which prevent poorer people being able to afford to, say, go for a swim, visit a ticketed museum exhibition or take their children to see a pantomime.

If receiving a nSP of £241.30 pw (most don’t), the difference between getting the minimum rise of 2.5% and, say, a triple lock 5% is just £4 a week.

In theory, Reform could guarantee the triple lock in the future while removing ticket concessions now.

Meantime, Farage has just bought £2 million of crypto currency from Stack BTC chaired by former UK Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng - the chancellor under Truss responsible for the disastrous 2022 Budget.

Never ever fall for the ruse that Reform care about the everyday lives of ordinary people, especially those on low incomes.

No , triple lock is a “nice to have” but not if that meant the Reform party being in power.

Maremia

There are Reform voters who are also GN Posters, but they are shy about explaining why they chose to do so. Which is, of course, their prerogative.

I think that it’s more likely that most of those on here who might support Reform are too nervous to say so because it’s possible the rest of us might jump on them!

I’m normally pretty laid back with people’s choices and happy to agree to disagree.

I’ve tolerated being called “woke”, “loony liberal”, “leftie” and so on.

I don’t mind as I’m proud to be a person who genuinely cares about their fellow humans, I’m proud to have brought up our five children who have not a shred of discrimination between them and are honest hard working people.

I must admit I really struggle with Reform, Trump and those with similar views and I have no idea why Farage appeals to anyone with a social conscience or indeed any female.

BUT we live in a democracy, they are entitled to their choices.

I’ll still like to know though what appeals or policies attract people to Reform?

Vote for Reform ?No way. I trust Nigel Farage and his henchmen , and women, as far as I could throw them.
His work record as M.P., just as it was when he was in European Parliament is appalling.

*LizzieDrip

Fallingstar
Name calling is not the way to go but can understand people’s frustration.
If the MAGA faithful hadn’t voted for Trump we wouldn’t be dealing with an illegal war in Iran that affects all of us.
In any case I do know that some on here who will consider voting Reform may have made derogatory comments about the ‘raging lefties’ or ‘Wokey lefties, and I know some refer to Labour voters as the loony left.
Perhaps we should all refrain from doing this.
Well said Fallingstar👏👏👏*

I agree with you both

ronib

Does anyone remember the vote to leave the EU? Can anyone explain why Labour can realign this country with the EU without a single referendum vote being cast?
Reform is not in power and is unlikely to form the next government. Save your anxiety for Labour.

This is not the subject for this thread - interesting though it is - start a new one

Does anyone remember the vote to leave the EU? Can anyone explain why Labour can realign this country with the EU without a single referendum vote being cast?
Reform is not in power and is unlikely to form the next government. Save your anxiety for Labour.

Maremia

There are Reform voters who are also GN Posters, but they are shy about explaining why they chose to do so. Which is, of course, their prerogative.

Why on earth would anyone be shy about the reasons for voting for a particular party. That is so weird.

The parties manifestos are there for everyone to see.

There are Reform voters who are also GN Posters, but they are shy about explaining why they chose to do so. Which is, of course, their prerogative.

Fallingstar

Name calling is not the way to go but can understand people’s frustration.
If the MAGA faithful hadn’t voted for Trump we wouldn’t be dealing with an illegal war in Iran that affects all of us.
In any case I do know that some on here who will consider voting Reform may have made derogatory comments about the ‘raging lefties’ or ‘Wokey lefties, and I know some refer to Labour voters as the loony left.
Perhaps we should all refrain from doing this.

Well said Fallingstar👏👏👏

Any future Reform government and cabinet is unknown because they’re still trying to recruit people who agree with their unpleasant policies.How can people vote for change when that change is faceless? How many Reform councillors and MP’s are under scrutiny for misdemeanours? Racist comments or tax evasion. Or both.

Yes until they get into power then they will change their minds. I dont trust them one bit. Actually I dont trust any of the political parties. They all lie, cheat and are in it for themselves not the good of the country

Fallingstar

Cossy

Sarnia

Well said!

Whilst many of us want the boats to stop, for different reasons, I’ve heard zero about the “how” from Reform!

Indeed.
And of course we shouldn’t forget that Brexit made the small boats situation a hundred times worse due to ceasing cooperation with the EU. And who masterminded Brexit - the snake oil salesman himself.
He hasn’t clue how to deal with the small boats issue and in true Farage style will probs just make matters worse then blame others, like his best buddy Trump.

Well said Falling Star, I'm so heartened by the majority opinion on this thread. Reform are a bunch of corrupt, racist, misogynist, opportunist crooks. No way would they get my vote.

“Nigel Farage has had his MEP's salary docked by £35,500 after claims he misspent EU funds, the BBC understands…………………..
The 53-year-old will be entitled to annual EU pension of £73,000 when he reaches the age of 63.”
BBC 12 January 2018

Looks like he’ll be getting his “platinum” pension soon.

Exactly so Oreo, they are the opposite extremes. I think it’s the out there policies that attract people to both, and not everybody looks deeply at what the implications of their choice are.

Name calling is not the way to go but can understand people’s frustration.
If the MAGA faithful hadn’t voted for Trump we wouldn’t be dealing with an illegal war in Iran that affects all of us.
In any case I do know that some on here who will consider voting Reform may have made derogatory comments about the ‘raging lefties’ or ‘Wokey lefties, and I know some refer to Labour voters as the loony left.
Perhaps we should all refrain from doing this.

Casdon

Oreo

No, the offer of the triple lock wouldn’t persuade me to vote Reform, tho am not quite pensionable yet anyway.I expect the Conservatives will likely say the same thing before the next GE as well.
The younger generation may not like the triple lock but since a lot of them also like Zack Polanski and his crazy ideas/ policies I don’t know what that says about the 18-24 year olds😱

It says they care more about the environment than they do about other political concerns, just as people voting for Reform care more about small boat migrants than they care about about other political concerns.

I wonder if they’ve looked at his other ideas? He’s a cynical grifter who’s just as populist as NF.

nanna8

Were I to vote I definitely wouldn’t vote for Forage, but I think comments about people voting for his party being thick knuckle draggers are very snobbish and hateful. Those are the sort of comments that actually persuade people to vote for the buggers.

I agree!

To be fair, FGT, the number of retired MP's collecting their excellent pensions is miniscule compared to the number of over - 67s in receipt of the state pension.
I do wonder how sustainable the triple lock is, whatever party is in government, as the numbers of older people increase

Oreo

No, the offer of the triple lock wouldn’t persuade me to vote Reform, tho am not quite pensionable yet anyway.I expect the Conservatives will likely say the same thing before the next GE as well.
The younger generation may not like the triple lock but since a lot of them also like Zack Polanski and his crazy ideas/ policies I don’t know what that says about the 18-24 year olds😱

It says they care more about the environment than they do about other political concerns, just as people voting for Reform care more about small boat migrants than they care about about other political concerns.

“They've already already voiced their intentions to repeal the equality laws and ex-Tory Danny Kruger seems to have some extremely medieval ideas about women.

He's obviously an avid fan of "The Handmaid's Tale". ‘

Interesting comment mae13

Of course his mother is Prue Leith who had, a self confessed, affair with his father who was her best friend’s husband.
I make no judgement, but might explain some views.