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Cumbrianmale56
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Cumbrianmale56
The problem is anyone who is concerned about immigration is automatically labelled as far Right or a bigot. Same as the whole trans thing: you criticise someone who is bioligically male for wanting to use a female toilet and you're branded a bigot. A lot of the people who go on about how diverse and inclusive they are tend to want to shut down any opinion they dislike.
Obviously 50,000 people want to ptotest in London peacefully about things that concern them that's fine, it's their choice. However, people who are worried about an asylum hotel next to them have an equal right to protest.
Well said. I wonder whether any of the posters on here who are so dismissive actually live near an asylum hotel?
There does need to be a meaningful debate about immigration. We do need a certain level of immigration as the NHS wouldn't function and many immigrants contribute well to this country. Also someone wanting to set up a business, bring in a spouse from overseas, or people like the Ukrainians from 4 years ago, should be allowed into the country. However, we can't keep allowing 700,000 a year into the country, BUT this has been reduced significantly in the last 2 years.
A sensible debate that avoids the right wing racist/middle class woke language that is bandied about is what is needed. No one would seriously want to deport people just because they don't like their skin colour, or think open borders are the best way to combat racism. There needs to be something in between these extremes.
I agree, Cumbrianmale, and have posted on here more than once about the disconnect between those with bad experiences of multiculturalism and those for whom it is a theory.
But where on Gransnet is the middle class/woke language you are talking about? And who on here 'automatically' labels anyone concerned about immigration as Far Right or a bigot?
I am not saying those things don't happen, but I think it is much more prevalent for people who are not fans of Farage et al to be sneered at and called 'woke', and I really don't think I've seen accusations of bigotry or Far Rightness on here. I don't read every thread so I know I may have missed something, but if you could point to at least a couple of examples that would be great, please.
What I should have said was terms like far Right/ woke are used on other forums when people get into a slanging match. On here, the debate is generally moderate and considerate, as you'd expect, but on other forums, the abuse ramps up. This is one reason I left X as I was sick of the toxic level of debate.
As I've said, we need a sensible approach to immigration and one which I think Keir is doing well on.
