RIP Liam Payne

rafichagran

FriedGreenTomatoes2

We will never know and speculation is ghoulish.

Absolutly, why do it? We are discussing Liam, a young man who tragically lost his life.

There's a difference between frenzied media-speculation, idle curiosity - and people who are just shocked at the death of a young man in his prime.

I don't think it's ghoulish to question why. Young people shouldn't die, and I believe human nature is such that we think if we know why it happened, we can prevent it from happening to us or or those we love.

What is ghoulish is the media showing photo's of his room and dwelling on his injuries. I would like to understand the reason for his death - but I don't want the details, those are for his family.

BlueBelle

Fleurpepper of course a PM will show that, I was only going by the reports that the room was thrashed, drugs and alcohol was found, and he had been behaving badly enough to call the police.
The news this morning said he had been booked into the Priory but left after two days it certainly sounds as if he had substance abuse problems
It’s a very sad case and happens in many walks of life rich and poor
We can’t always blame poor mental health or as someone further up blamed Simon Cowel !!! Sometimes it’s a life style choice that goes wrong

Simon Cowell was reportedly in regular touch with Liam and supportive, as was his drama teacher from his very early years.
He had loving, supportive parents and family too.

Goodness knows what the pressure of fame and the ups and downs of show business can do to a young person thrown into the spotlight like that.

Susan Boyle wasn’t a teenager

JaneJudge

These reality tv shows appear to have such a negative impact on some of their contestants if you forget the financial gain to some of them.

Poor Liam and his family

But these "reality" shows (which don't promote any "reality" I can think of) and talent shows have a massive attraction for teenagers, judging by the staggering numbers queuing up wherever the auditions are held.

Tragic lives, such as this young man's, won't put them off because Simon Cowell & co. do a darn good job selling the dream and covering up the warts. And the wannabe's probably truly believe "it won't happen to me."

FriedGreenTomatoes2

We will never know and speculation is ghoulish.

Absolutly, why do it? We are discussing Liam, a young man who tragically lost his life.

I agree Galaxy, so many young people ruined by early fame, There are lots of rumours swirling around about the abuse Justin Bieber may have suffered, in fact a few parallels have been drawn between him and Liam. Definitely a double edged sword that not all can handle.

He was 14 when he first appeared in the X Factor, I am not really blaming anyone, I am saying that children thrown into fame often ends in disaster.

Fleurpepper of course a PM will show that, I was only going by the reports that the room was thrashed, drugs and alcohol was found, and he had been behaving badly enough to call the police.
The news this morning said he had been booked into the Priory but left after two days it certainly sounds as if he had substance abuse problems
It’s a very sad case and happens in many walks of life rich and poor
We can’t always blame poor mental health or as someone further up blamed Simon Cowel !!! Sometimes it’s a life style choice that goes wrong

I just couldn’t believe the news. Awful.

So so sad. Feel so sorry for his family especially his little boy Bear who will grow up without his daddy. RIP Liam, god bless you.

BlueBell, surely the autopsy will show if he was full of alcohol and drugs?

That's so true, Kate1949. A few years back, a colleague worked his normal shift at my work, was his usual self, outwardly happy and chatty, then he left the office, got off the bus on his way home and jumped off a bridge.

People with mental health issues are very good at hiding how they are feeling. They can put on an act. We knew someone who seemed to have an ideal life. Lovely wife and children. Always posting on social media about his great life, holidays, nights out etc. He would be beaming on the photos. He took his own life.

Sharon even if the Express have got it right it doesn’t prove suicide or poor mental health or even unhappiness, under the influence of drink and drugs he may have just jumped without thought, the same way as he smashed the TV and the rest of the room up. Drink and drugs can completely alter perspectives, heights and items Talking to a lovely young man years ago who was addicted he explained how ordinary everyday items could take on a life of their own, he told me how the creases in a plastic carrier bag nearby seemed like a face that he felt he need to punch. Perhaps this young man just felt invincible and jumped the balcony with no thoughts that he was up high.
If he was mentally unwell or sad and unhappy about something it’s a dreadful shame but was he ? he was there to visit an old friend and music companion He was dancing and kissing his girlfriend a day or two before, so was he just as high as a kite
We will never know but more importantly his family will never know. Very very sad all round
I don’t think you can blame Simon Cowell Greciangirl the young man had had 15 years of fame and fortune because of him just like so many young musicians

They should never have been cobbled together as a boy band.
I blame Simon Cowell.
Unfortunately, he Liam Payne couldn’t cope with fame and fortune.

Such a waste.

Very sad. From comments made by his ex band members, Liam had been the glue that held the group together. Kind, loving and supportive. The media should now let him rest in peace.

According to the Express, Liam jumped from the balcony.

www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1963700/One-Direction-Liam-Payne-jumped-hotel-room-balcony

Babs03

I think the entertainment/music industry is notorious for wrecking the lives of those who can’t cope with being in the limelight all the time, surrounded by people who are just there to push drugs and drink towards you whilst basking in said limelight.
Is rank.
And if you are too young, too insecure, or have an addictive personality it really is a highly damaging career choice.
So tragic.
💔

I think you’re right Babs03
And certainly a tragic waste of life.

escaped

I 100% agree we cannot get inside that mind to know what anyone is thinking.
Kate1949, that is so sad about your brother, that you had no idea of his desperation.
All I can say, as a child whose father who took his life, and whose own father also killed himself when my dad was 7, you carry that burden for life. I'm not saying it's a sense of shame, but you do wonder if you were responsible, if every down moment you have is the start of your own journey, or whether the proneness for such actions will be inherited by your children. In short, it is a volcano your parent has sat you on because you can't understand how they could have done this to you.

We are all different. My father died when I was a child, I suppose it was a slow suicide as he drank himself to death. It was how he coped with the horrors he'd gone through in WWII. I'm sad he died, I'm sad he didn't get help but I've never felt responsible or worried it would happen to me or my children. He lived through something it is hard to imagine when he was very young so I feel no shame in fact I am proud that as a teenager he travelled alone to England to join up and fight for a better society.

I feel so sorry that he felt drink and drugs was the way to soothe his anxiety. His son Bear, will carry that loss forever. I know I have I lost my dad at a similar age, and feel the loss just as much now at 65. It’s tragic.

Terribly sad for his little boy and the rest of his family. Bear is only 7 and to grow up knowing that your dad chose in his confused state to die will be awful for him as he grows up.Having fame from 14 and huge success and enormous wealth was clearly too much.
It sounds as if the success was over, music contract just cancelled, split from long term girlfriend, limited contact with his boy for obvious reasons and conflict with fellow band members, his years of drug and alcohol abuse just overtook. Really sad but not surprising. Poor Liam.

I believe he was just 16 when he was successful in his second go at X factor. 1Ds enormous success was such that they were thrust into a world they had no experience of very quickly. I don’t know if they were cared for and looked after in those years and allowed frequent visits with family and friends. If their well being was safeguarded. It seems so easy to get into drugs and alcohol and if you are young, unsupervised and rich, super easy. I have no idea how things work in the music industry but if not already included, maybe young people in a similar position should have well being coaching and supervisory coaches to encourage sensible decision making and build for the future

I think the entertainment/music industry is notorious for wrecking the lives of those who can’t cope with being in the limelight all the time, surrounded by people who are just there to push drugs and drink towards you whilst basking in said limelight.
Is rank.
And if you are too young, too insecure, or have an addictive personality it really is a highly damaging career choice.
So tragic.
💔

Sharon Osbourne has claimed the music industry failed Liam. How many more times are we going to hear that and how many more young, talented lives are going to have a tragic end?

The fame and wealth arrives at meteoric speed so is it any wonder young people find themselves isolated from real life and turn to drink and drugs?

And when you’ve served your masters who are driven by greed, your record company informs you you’ve been dropped - as had just happened to Liam Payne.

Poor lad. RIP.

escaped and icanhandthhemback such trauma for you.