Boris..intensive care..

Chewbacca -good to see you get it. It's all untruths. What a relief.

And, perhaps the whole thing stems from the fact that he is known for being economical with the truth.

And the presumably St Thomas's hospital, all the medical and nursing staff, (especially the 2 nurses who were named for being with him during his stay), his family and the national press were all being economical with the truth too? Yes. Of course they were. You're right, it was all lies.

Because of his position, he is likely to have been nursed in a side room with security nearby. There is some prolific over-imagination going on in this thread.

No he wouldnt unless the ITU is set up with multiple siderooms.
ITUs are locked units. Security will not have been allowed to stay.

There is no VIP area in ITUs.

High profile people go in with everyone else when it gets to that stage.

I'm sure BJ did have it - or they wouldn't have let him in!

ICU is familiar to those of us with anaphylaxis and hypoxia due to allergies.

Oxygen therapy, with a mask, is hardly frightening when you've been struggling to breathe. It's a relief. Sleep deprivation is a nuisance, but quite bearable up to around 72 hours. Why the hysteria? We don't come out traumatised.

In 1995, BJ 'called for patients to be charged to use the National Health Service to prevent free care being "abused" by people who can afford to pay.' I do hope he's paid up!

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

Chewbacca the very nature of psychosis is that it is NOT under the sufferers control. Yes, it can come and go. But does anyone seriously believe that he would have made that broadcast if he was in ANY way suspected to have been in a delusional state? No one is going to take that risk.
Several of you have had experience of loved ones being in ICU and you have my sympathy but it is the disease process and treatment that causes the problems, not the very fact of being in that place. The information we have been given is that the Prime Minister was conscious throughout, receiving oxygen therapy via face mask, sat up in bed and chatting to his caregivers. Because of his position, he is likely to have been nursed in a side room with security nearby. There is some prolific over-imagination going on in this thread.

But if he really was that ill why is he out of hospital so quickly. And, perhaps the whole thing stems from the fact that he is known for being economical with the truth. But stress again that he did look very ill.

Chewbacca …. it's tempting to give up on forums isn't it?

nobody on the 'outside' knows that BJ was taken into ICU as 'a precaution' it is highly unlikely! More like Cabinet spin on the situation to reassure people.

So are we still stuck at the conundrum as to whether Boris really did have COVID and was admitted to hospital and ITU? Is this another conspiracy theory to put in the same box as David Icke & Eamonn Holmes and 5G?

Are you an authority on this Hetty58? In which case your views may be respected, so please could you let us know.

Otherwise they are just your thoughts and opinions.

lemongrove, five days is rather different and I'm pretty sure that your husband wasn't taken in as 'a precaution' either!

Thinking you're going to die at any moment is enough.

Same as the person who walks out of a car wreck that killed others without a scratch!

In fact. Leavers guilt is a very real problem that ITU survivers can struggle with too.

"Why did I get to leave when the 25year old in the next bed didnt?. I shouldnt be here" etc.

Well, 5 minutes on the motorway resulted in years of flashbacks. And I am a fairly strong person.

I presume you have spent time in ICU to speak with such authority, Hetty58?

Hetty he has been through something that many dont survive. He may well have witnessed others dying or at the very least will by hyper aware that not all the other people who were in there with him will make it out.

His body went right to the brink and it failed! You dont go to ITU without at least on failing organ.

Its a torturous experience. The guardian article I shared up thread about covid recovery also talks about people needing clinical psychologists imput into their recovery.

A trauma isnt measured in duration.
Spending just a day in a warzone is still traumatic even though others may spend years there. Its rediculous to say its not traumatic just because you get to leave!

Hetty five days In ICU certainly resulted in anxiety and depression for my DH....and everyone is different and drugs affect in different ways.

Notanan2. A week in hospital with two days on oxygen in ITU is highly unlikely to result in:
'PTSD, psychosis or depression/anxiety'.

How on earth can you believe that? It's ridiculous!

It is unfortunately very similar in ways to being in a bad car crash Callistemon.

BJ is at the start of a marathon. He'll have good days and bad days like anyone else would.

Iam64 it is indeed dispiriting.

notanan I did disagree with you on another subject, but I have to say that your posts are rational, reasoned and what we need at the moment.
I suffered a trauma many years in a motorway accident and I must say that flashbacks occurred for years afterwards, when I encountered a trigger. In fact, they still do occasionally.
Being a patient in ICU must be equally traumatic.

Some ITUs offer "walk throughs" for ex patients months later to help people decipher what was real and what was the ITU Psychosis, where they can visit to help make sense of the flashbacks and nightmares.

My DH was told his full recovery could take 6 months, but certainly 3 months to get anywhere near approaching normal.
3 months on he still tires very easily.

And it does come and go, the ITUpsychosis flash backs etc

And "ITU psychosis" is a distinctly recognised type of psychosis and some degree of that or PTSD or other psychological reaction is pretty much unavoidable.

If you arent sedated you are sleep deprived with painful 24 hr care to levels that are onlu comparable to torture situations.

You witness other peoples traumas too

The non sedation meds there can also induce deleriums and hallucinations (some pain, antisickness and milder relaxants)

If septic with pneumonia deleriums can also occur

Its a huge trauma it would be abnormal to be fine afterwards

GrannyLaine just because we saw a brief snap shot of BJ looking okay does not make him exempt from the normal effects one can expect to experience during recovery from ITU.
All ITU leavers are told to expect these things.

I'm afraid that I find it very difficult to warm to or have any respect for anyone that has an affair with a married man; especially one whose wife is seriously ill. I think anyone that has been in a situation where their husband has been having an affair will understand that.