Robbie Williams and surrogacy

The child cant consent.

In surrogacy the baby is not taken from the birth mother
it is given by the birth mother .

The birth mother can decide not to give the baby , it is her
choice,

It is not ok to create a situation where children are taken from their mother. It is not ok to sell children.

I am confused, did someone tie down the birth mother, forcibly impregnate her, keep her prisoner for 9 months and then abduct the baby? No the woman decided (as is her right) to carry and give birth to a child then give it away. Why is surrogacy any different than adoption? Only difference that I can see is that the birth mother already knows who the child is going to and possibly receives remuneration for her efforts.
Ok so Mr Williams may or may not be the nicest person on the planet but that really should only concern the woman carrying his child.
Surrogacy only exists while you have people willing to offer the service, and surely not all of them are poor vulnerable women.

My younger daughter was offered surrogacy, she is not rich.

Aren’t we lucky to have been able to birth for ourselves
Bit dramatic OP
I don’t care for Robbie Williams at all but there are many thousands of ‘normal’ people who have patented this way
Is it my worse than growing a baby in a test tube?
As long as the child is created out of love then it will all work out
Concentrate on the kids that are born into violence and abuse, be outraged by that!

Couldn’t disagree more trisher but that won’t surprise you ?

It's another 'I can so I will'. Two natural pregnancies for the couple. Why did they need a surrogate? Unless of course medical issues. Even though, if nature dictated no more children why go to these lengths. Two children already yet they packaged up their sperm and egg to be grown by someone else then harvested like the latest crop. Perhaps a pregnancy would interfere in their busy lifestyle. Can't help but wonder when all the children are older the conversations they may have about the different method of arrival. Consideration is being given in the UK to surrogates receiving more than their 'expenses'. World gone mad.

Agree trisher

I totally agree with everything in your post trisher.

No doubt there are lots of rich people I disapprove of and lots of poor people I think would make bad parents as well. I can't stop the poor having children and I can't stop the rich buying them, all I can do is advocate that the best possible safeguards are put in place to protect the child and the mother. Because the only thing that disapproval and criticism will do is drive the whole process underground and send people to countries where women and babies can be bought more easily. Surrogacy is here it's been here for some time, let's stop condemning be open and honest about it and try to ensure it is done as well as possible.
And much the same could be said for prostitution. I'm old enough to remember the 60s and the idea that when women agreed to sex outside marriage prostitution would disappear. It hasn't. So stop criminalising it. Give the women the best protection and advice available and then see what happens. It can't be worse than what is happening to them now.

I could agree more with you

Robbie and his wife explained after their second child convinced naturally she had a lot of gynecology problems and it was not advisable for her to grt pregnant again
As they wanted more children and had used this woman before that they had formed a relationship with it was natural to use her again
The baby will be well loved and cared for that all that matters

Surrogate!!!!! Not such a bad thing i offered and would have gone through with having a child for my little sister who for many years could not conceive she had one just one!! try booked for ivf but mercifully for her and dh fell pregnant and conceived naturally that was 10 years ago i offered again if they wanted a sibling for son and she said she was happy with the one and if it happened again it was a blessing but no more have arrived so in some cases it is a good thing

I hadnt seen it Suzie thanks but I have read a lot of Julie Bindels work/research on prostitution. Her views on surrogacy are similar I think.

Totally agree, Sparkling. Pity the discussion got derailed.

Galaxy have you read this?
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/feminism-for-men-is-bad-news-for-women/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I don't care for Robbie Williams or his wife, I think he us artrogant and coarse, he belongs to that group of people where money buys them anything. I think Surrogacy
is wrong on a lot of levels. How can you carry a child and just give it up. Every day of my life I would miss it, wonder if he/she was being treated right, no amount of money would pay for what I had lost. however, that's just my opinion, it's not against the law, except of nature.

Its feminism for men, pro prostitution, pro porn, etc. You would think people would notice when men support this form of 'female empowerment' so enthusiastically, strange they have never been so vocal about other campaigns such as equality of housework or caring roles for women.

Iam I’ve never understood why so many women are misogynistic. Accepting that other women can ‘service’ their husbands for them is yet another manifestation of this.

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I've never understood why so many women take the view that men aren't in control of their sexual urges. That if wives won't do what their husbands expect, its perfectly ok for the husband to pay a woman to fulfil a need that may cause physical or emotional harm

The whole "sex positive" happy hooker theory just passes the buck away from the men
As if prostitution exista because its women who want it to, and men are the ones just obliging..

I agree with notanan2 who refers to the reality, that many former sex workers have nothing good to say about sex work. As others have pointed out, attempts to introduce safe working spaces didn’t work.
It’s dangerous to the physical and mental health of the women involved.
To say that those of us who don’t see sex work as a positive choice are expressing a moral value , ie looking down on sex workers just isn’t borne out by comments I’ve seen here.

therefore they do not deserve proper protection

They deserve proper options.
Routes back to decent employment and housing.
And earlier intervention
A "choice" is only as good as the available options

Listen a bit to ex prostitutes who look back on it. There are a lot of firsthand writings on the topic